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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of this new July 3 1947 here on the

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airport present arms been applying this

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- found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged changed the

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is baked and black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and a GRA the global rain

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with jimmy touch on the game-changing

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good evening

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is spoke radio for

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math says yeah man how you do it today's

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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128 days into the new year only 238 days

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left I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither and to and fro back and forth up

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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I'm your host Jimmy Church what is

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crackin everybody how do you do it I

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love saying that because I mean it how

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you do it

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I like the David Bowie I like the David

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Bowie labyrinth bet I can quote every

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line from every character in every scene

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at every moment in labyrinth I do it

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just like that I get all tangled up in

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my own cable yeah labyrinth whoo man

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that's that's a good gift right there

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that's good gift what a great movie

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great posters DVD great special features

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making of the music oh man what a great

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movie all right all right

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it's Thursday it has arrived

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it is Thursday it is fader night with

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do an AMA nah can't do it tonight so

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maybe we'll do it next Thursday a crazy

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tonight and I've got a couple of

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surprises coming up so get ready for all

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of that tonight

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it is Fator night my favorite night of

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this it is now established fact

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Fator night on fade to black is one of

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anywhere in the world that's that's it

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that's that's it that's what Fator night

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and if I stop rambling right now maybe I

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will get to it so you can email Jimmy at

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my Thursday is a special day I know that

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lots of breaking news today Project Blue

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did you hear the news all of all of

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those fans out there myself included are

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left with nothing but questions because

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history cancelled Project Blue Book the

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second season of PB be ended on March

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this is the thing this is the show ended

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with dr. Allen Hynek searching for his

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colleague Captain Michael Quinn played

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by Michael malarkey who's great by the

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who was blown to bits in an underwater

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explosion it was a true cliffhanger

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something you do when you know when you

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have another season coming up right but

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a month later Annie showed us that they

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have other ideas and ratings don't

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matter and opted not to pursue a third

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season of the show Project Blue Book was

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created by David O'Leary who served as

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writer and executive producer and was

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produced by Robert Zemeckis season 2 had

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an average of 1.3 million viewers per

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episode not bad not great but other

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shows have been renewed with much worse

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Amazon will pick it up Hulu who knows

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cannot nobody knows how network

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television decisions are made

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nobody knows many have speculated men

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have died countries have fallen for the

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for the knowledge of wine networks to do

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what they do also announced today a new

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study carried out in the Antarctic

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provided a new estimate of what the

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amount of cosmic debris insert Frank

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Zappa references there and space rocks

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that hit earth every year now according

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to researchers an average of about 88

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million one hundred and eighty four and

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that is 44,000 and ninety two and a half

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tons the new study was carried out by a

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in the journal geology absolutely not

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the earth grows by weight by forty four

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thousand tonnes of extraterrestrial

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material every single year that's crazy

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well okay

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Elon Musk and his partner Grimes and

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named their newborn baby boy I can't

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rules about baby naming are about to

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come into play you see in California new

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baby names can only use the 26

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alphabetical characters of the English

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language according to the state

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constitution no numbers allowed not to

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mention the elvish characters AE which

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is the Elven shorthand of a AI or

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artificial intelligence there you go

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what is man too much money just clouds

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here you're thinking I mentioned earlier

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this week about the day I took my

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driving test when I was 16 years old and

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I wanted to go back and and and just

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tell you guys what happened I don't want

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to leave you hanging this is what

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happened on that morning my dad was away

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on a business trip my brother Kevin was

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upstairs in bed sleeping summer vacation

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and I'm gonna guess and say he was about

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it doesn't matter but he's upstairs

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sleeping and my mom and I were going to

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take the car over to the DMV and so I

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could take my driving test and get my

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driver's license and so my mom had this

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idea not to start the car in the garage

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which is directly underneath my

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brother's bed and to put the car in

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neutral and back it out of the garage

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and then start it up outside this was my

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mom's idea by the way so we're pushing

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the driver's seat I got one foot on the

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ground steering wheel doors open and I'm

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backing the car up and it's going so all

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of a sudden it just kind of starts

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rolling it takes off and the edge of the

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door that is Oh

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pin catches the molding on the side of

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the garage

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the wooden moulding and rips it off the

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house my mom standing and my mom's

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pushing the car from the front but mom

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I'm looking at my mom she's looking down

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and the whole frame of the garage is

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lying in the driveway waking up the

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house in all of the neighbors on the

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block and so much for that I do remember

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this though I remember my mom

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not exactly telling my dad the truth my

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dad had to come home after his business

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trip and replace the molding and paying

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everything on the house and I can't

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remember exactly what was said all I'm

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gonna say is I didn't get in trouble so

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that's what happened and also I want to

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get to this before I move on if that was

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just a crazy Dave mom man I hope dad

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isn't listening right now he's probably

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shot her look what what really happened

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you said it was you mean it was Jimmy it

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happened it was my mom's fault it was in

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this case I was innocent okay

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today I had a poltergeist event in my

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garage almost let me tell you what

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happened it was crazy

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cleaning out the garage breaking down

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boxes garbage man's coming tomorrow

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got to fill up the recycle bin and do

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some things but we were building up with

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empty boxes in the garage and I was

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getting lazy and today was today so I'm

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breaking it down too and all and it's

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hot outside drinking iced coffee phones

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and things I'm running around sweating

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and I have to get inside there's some

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other things that we're going on so

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anyway as I'm walking through the garage

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we have a stack of folding chairs

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there's like 16 folding chairs

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metal that that are to my right the last

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folding chair decides is no big deal but

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it decides to slide out put you flat on

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the floor in front of me where I kick it

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and I was wearing flip-flops and I kick

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it with my big toe

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ouch it hurt note to self pick up the

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chair and put it back in the thing and I

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walked over and I did some stuff in the

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other side of the garage

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and and I and I'm walking back through

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to go up and I look down in the folding

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chair that I had just kicked is now back

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in place I didn't put it there and I

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stop and I say wow that chair Rita I

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just kicked it it was just on the ground

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and I'm tripping man I am tripping way

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to go I picked it up and put it put it

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back oh oh oh and at that moment I was

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so relieved because I know that I just

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kicked the chair and I know that I

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walked past it and I know that I told

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myself to put it back and when I turned

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around it was already back Rita just

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happened to and I didn't see any way

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though but the bottom line is this Rita

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just this is how Rita thinks Rita goes I

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messed up I shouldn't have told you I

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put it back and she was right because if

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she hadn't have said that she could have

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messed with me all day long because that

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was a bizarre thing and I didn't say it

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anyway so that was that was how my date

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today poltergeist almost all right let's

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uh let's move on let's get to it

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skip the show crack and happy birthday

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to today guitarist Carlos Alomar the

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great is 69 years old of course played

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with everybody but for me most most

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notably David Bowie because he played on

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a string of David Bowie albums back to

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back including young Americans station

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the station

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whoa heroes scary monsters right there

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happy birthday Carlos Alomar also today

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Motorhead's Phil Campbell Phil Campbell

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today is 59 years old on this day in

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history 1902 the island of Martinique

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their Mount Pele begins the deadliest

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volcanic eruption of the 20th century

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the following day the city of st. Pierre

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which some called the Paris of the

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Caribbean was virtually wiped off the

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map when it was buried within minutes

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and virtually everyone died instantly

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there were only two reported survivors

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one was a prisoner held in an

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underground cell on this day in 1902

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Fader fact here you go you ready before

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trees before trees existed earth was

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covered with giant white mushrooms that

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were 24 feet tall and 3 feet wide and

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covered most of the Earth's surface and

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that is your fader fact tonight it's

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another Fator nights open lines all

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night long and you know what the caller

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number is and if you don't you need to

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write it down seven four seven two two

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eight two zero five one so let me hit

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River moon coffee calm all right so last

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night our guest was Nick Redfern and we

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discussed his new book the Rendlesham

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forest UFO conspiracy a close encounter

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exposed as a top secret government

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experiment and we discussed what he has

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suggested in the book which is that the

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Rendlesham incident may have

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then the British military using

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holographic technology and drugs to

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simulate a UFO landing now possible well

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sure anything is possible right

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did it change my mind and conclusions

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that I may have about Rendlesham no not

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really

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but here's the thing I listen to

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everything listen my favorite pie is

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peach peach pie warm with vanilla ice

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cream on top and it's got to be special

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vanilla ice cream

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someone may suggest to me the greatest

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pie in the world and I'll listen that

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well and I'll try it I have an open mind

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but it's gonna have to be a

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life-changing experience to sway me off

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of what I already know and that is peach

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pie is the best pie now there is always

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a but so I'm going to have to interject

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a but here but I will listen and I will

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always try to expand my world it's what

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life is about now back to NIC when it

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comes to Rendlesham there is a mountain

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of evidence and I do mean a mountain

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right there is a mountain of evidence

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that is out there that you have to

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overcome when you publish a book like

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the Rendlesham forest conspiracy he

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knows this I know that he knows this now

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Nick did the research Nick got the data

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he did the interviews and he put it out

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there that's it he put it out there for

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the world to consider it's really

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nothing more than that

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now there have been

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UFO cases in the past that have been

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debunked and we know this this is an

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absolute fact and then we have the

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situation of something like Roswell

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where every type of theory has been

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presented it was a weather balloon it

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was project mogul it was the Russians it

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was the Germans we had Congress we had

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the GAO the General Accounting Office

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we've had senators look into it so many

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books and movies and documentaries and

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at the end of the day we all come back

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around to pretty much one conclusion

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something crashed outside of Roswell in

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1947 and it wasn't from planet Earth now

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it may very well turn out to be the same

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thing with Rendlesham every idea or

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theory has been and will be and continue

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to be put out there and we'll examine it

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and we'll come to a conclusion seriously

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it's really that simple

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what is different about the Rendlesham

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case well first and foremost it's recent

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it's modern it's now it happened the

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year I graduated from high school it

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happened the year I crashed my car into

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my garage the witnesses are still with

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us the evidence is there the tape the

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memos all of it is in the present we

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don't have to rely on second third or

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fourth person accounts or documents that

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are questionable it's the exact opposite

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I have said many times on this broadcast

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it is the words of John burrows that we

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need to be thankful for he was there we

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have the opportunity to sit down and

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talk to John and get his take his

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insight right up front his testimony in

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the now-now-now

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just like what Travis Walton the ability

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to have these witnesses with us today to

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share their experiences is some of the

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most important things that we have with

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us so that we can try and figure out

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what is really going on when it comes to

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the UFO question an extraterrestrial

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contact now tonight is

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tonight yes it's open lines all night

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long

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and I know that most of you want to talk

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about the show last night with Nick

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Redfern and I understand it I do I do we

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need to constantly listen to everything

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I have changed my mind I have had my

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mind changed over the years on different

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UFO cases researchers individuals

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witnesses photographs videos books all

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right I've always had an open mind I

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have never said this case is shut and

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that's what we constantly have to do it

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is the most beautiful thing about

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ufology I don't know how many times I

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have said it this is like the barber

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shop this is like the barber shop

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remember the movie barber shop if you

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can't say it in here you can't say it

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anywhere in here in ufology

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and I'm fade to black we listen to

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everybody and we can fight we can argue

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we can have fun we can laugh we could do

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all of that here but it stays here we

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need to know that you can say or present

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anything what happens later what happens

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later but in the now now we need to

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always have an open mind okay now again

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I know that you all want to talk about

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this tonight and it's open line seven

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four seven two two eight two zero five

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one and so does our first caller who

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called in last night at the end of the

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show and I didn't pick up I didn't I

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didn't find out about it until this

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morning so I'll be back after this short

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break with our first caller who I didn't

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pick up last night John Burroughs that's

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right

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Jimmy church Thursday night Fator night

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with open lines all night long I'll be

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right back with John Burroughs

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after this short break stay with us

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and you're listening to Jimmy George

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy church tonight it's Thursday

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night it is Fator night open lines all

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night long seven four seven two two

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eight two zero five one seven four seven

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two two eight two zero five one and look

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I see this is uh this is going to be a

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very interesting night and last night

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when it came to our conversation that we

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had with Nick Redfern about his new book

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it was it was a great conversation and

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it's something that especially when it

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comes to fade to black and this show

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just like I said in the intro it's so

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important that always always especially

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inside of the UFO community no matter

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what we always have open minds we have

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to we absolutely have to and if we want

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to sit around I can imagine

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if I'm sitting at a UFO conference

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00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:29,869
sitting at the fade to black booth you

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know kicking back and somebody comes up

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and says hey I want to tell you my idea

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about about Travis Walton I want to talk

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about Kecksburg and I go fat now don't

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want to hear it don't want to hear it

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00:33:47,739 --> 00:33:45,649
but but but now here the UFO community

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00:33:50,019 --> 00:33:47,749
we don't listen to anybody you know

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that's not what we do it's not what we

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do and anything anything is we're trying

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to figure out what is actually going on

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out there we need to listen to everybody

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all the time last night with Nick

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Redfern an absolutely amazing show

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interesting idea

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interesting book great but let's let's

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put it into the the pile of evidence

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that we have in ideas and theories and

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consider and ponder what is really going

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on but as I stated last night in this

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show as I have stated many times over

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the years one of the great voices and I

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think that there are two on this planet

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there are two first being Travis Walton

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in John burrows and John burrows to me

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is a gift he is a gift to all of us last

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00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:43,510
night he tried to call him but he did

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and and I saw it but I didn't know it

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was him and I found out this morning and

625
00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:52,210
he certainly let me know that I left him

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00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:53,800
on hold last night didn't pick up his

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00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:56,409
call but I said John you'll be first up

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tonight so I would like to welcome back

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to Vega black one of the two most

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important voices on this planet

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00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:10,170
you know you know you know John I'm

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always in a great mood as are you and I

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am doing fantastic and and I know that

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we have a lot of things to talk about

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tonight and you have some things that

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00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:22,060
you want to say but first and foremost I

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00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:23,710
haven't talked to you in a few months

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00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:28,120
how are you doing how's the family good

639
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:31,420
you know the whole covert things changed

640
00:35:36,810 --> 00:35:34,480
the world so had to adapt to it somewhat

641
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:36,820
better than that doing well well you

642
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:39,310
know you're so tall kovat would take a

643
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,370
long time to defeat gravity and get up

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00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:44,320
into your head and lungs so you've got

645
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that going for you in your world is old

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everything so so John I don't know but

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00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,360
before we get started and uh also I want

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everybody to know that this call is

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00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:04,720
unscripted John and I have not discussed

650
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:09,040
anything at all about about Nick's new

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00:36:13,830 --> 00:36:11,800
book have I have no clue which is a

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00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:13,840
great thing because the show was always

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00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:16,150
open and honest and I think that having

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a just a conversation between friends is

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something that the audience will always

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engage in so that being said so the

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00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:26,350
disclaimer is out there John for the two

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00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:30,010
of us let's actually start here have you

659
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,000
read Nick's book no I haven't and that's

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kind of one of the first things I want

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00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:37,720
to clear up because one of the things

662
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:40,900
Nick said last night was that he you

663
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,340
know was going to end up being on Kevin

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00:36:47,710 --> 00:36:44,480
Randall's show down the road and

665
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:47,720
talked about it and Kevin II told him

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and I don't know for some

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00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:51,950
miscommunications or what but him and I

668
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:54,080
had talked about his book well I mean

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00:36:57,550 --> 00:36:55,730
the book only came out over the weekend

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00:36:59,770 --> 00:36:57,560
now I have a copy it's going to be on

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00:37:01,240 --> 00:36:59,780
the way and I'm going to read it but I

672
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:01,250
haven't had the opportunity to read it

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so the Kevin Randall's when I talk about

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00:37:09,550 --> 00:37:06,890
technology being involved yes that was a

675
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,560
few months ago when I did his show but

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we never discussed Nick's book I mean

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00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:14,420
it's kind of hard to do that when you

678
00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:16,040
haven't had the opportunity to read it

679
00:37:21,010 --> 00:37:18,350
right right fair enough fair enough

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00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:21,020
okay but you did listen to the show last

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night and I assume I assumed that that

682
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:28,940
most of the players involved in

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00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:30,410
Rendlesham knowing that this book was

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00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:31,730
out Nick was going to be on fade to

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black that pretty much everybody was

686
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:36,109
going to be listening tonight our last

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00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:39,500
night to see what Nick had to say and

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00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,210
certainly you were out there and you

689
00:37:46,060 --> 00:37:44,480
were listening well you were compelled

690
00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:46,070
to call into the show last night I'm

691
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:48,260
kind of glad that you didn't because we

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00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:49,850
wouldn't have had the time to talk last

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00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,420
night or I should say I'm kind of glad

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00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:56,000
that I didn't pick up your call because

695
00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:57,890
it would have been very limited time but

696
00:38:03,340 --> 00:38:00,920
we can do what we want right now you

697
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:03,350
were compelled to call in and I'm gonna

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00:38:13,570 --> 00:38:07,970
have to say why well because I wanted to

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00:38:15,370 --> 00:38:13,580
kind of save this Nick you know I over

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00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:15,380
the years when we did phenomenal radio

701
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:18,320
on we had him on he he does a good job

702
00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:21,830
researching ebooks but you know what two

703
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:24,590
or three maybe more books a year and

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00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:26,530
he's really involved in the community

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00:38:32,859 --> 00:38:30,830
but what I was wanting to call in about

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00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:32,869
last night was hopefully you know you

707
00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:35,510
don't usually allow somebody to call in

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00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:37,550
during the guests and ask questions but

709
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,050
I really wanted to learn more about

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00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:43,280
because I haven't read the book about

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00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:45,500
word how he came to this conclusion and

712
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:48,470
he did talk about that somewhat you know

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00:38:54,910 --> 00:38:51,380
in the interview but the idea that

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00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:54,920
technology was involved is not wrong

715
00:39:01,040 --> 00:38:58,020
it's just I'm not so sure

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00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:01,050
that what he put out is exactly the way

717
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:02,820
I went down based on a lot of research

718
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:05,580
I've done I've been involved with some

719
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:07,770
of the people inside the you know

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00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:09,420
intelligence agencies and everything

721
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:12,090
else that I've had the preview meeting

722
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:14,040
what they're talking to you know and

723
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:15,480
another guy's been working with on

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00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:18,540
research and what I was also concerned

725
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,420
about and you've read his book was how

726
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,520
much in his book does he back up with

727
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:25,440
really good documentation you know

728
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:27,420
documents that have been Declassified to

729
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:29,820
come back up what he said well I think

730
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:32,610
that will always be and I want everybody

731
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:34,200
to go and read the book for themselves

732
00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:36,060
and draw their own conclusions and and

733
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:41,340
although my opinion to me doesn't matter

734
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:46,200
about this I'll say this after after

735
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:50,810
reading the book I think that he did a

736
00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:53,370
pretty pretty good amount of research

737
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:56,550
and he did go back and contact many

738
00:40:00,940 --> 00:39:58,890
players of which you know John quite

739
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:00,950
frankly I didn't know anything about and

740
00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:04,290
so I thought that he he did put in the

741
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:08,070
time did it change my mind on Rendlesham

742
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:12,560
no it didn't but I look at things always

743
00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:17,160
differently you know I constantly want

744
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,830
to learn you know that's me I constantly

745
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:22,560
want to learn I want my mind changed I

746
00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:28,140
don't want to stay stagnant and his book

747
00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:30,440
gave me something to think about but

748
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:34,620
there is so much out there when it comes

749
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:36,390
to Rendlesham information that I've

750
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:38,670
gotten from you directly on and off of

751
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:42,810
the air and and the other stuff that is

752
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:46,920
out there I don't think any one

753
00:40:52,850 --> 00:40:49,790
Rendlesham book that has been published

754
00:40:55,610 --> 00:40:52,860
tells the whole story I think that there

755
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:55,620
are a lot of things that have been put

756
00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:57,630
out about Rendlesham that are completely

757
00:41:02,420 --> 00:40:59,490
off of the mark and not even close to

758
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:02,430
being you know part of the real truth

759
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:04,530
there's that element to and we are

760
00:41:08,570 --> 00:41:08,130
forced to constantly filter you were

761
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:08,580
there

762
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,320
though you're a witness John you're the

763
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:15,440
first one to admit that you don't know

764
00:41:21,350 --> 00:41:19,650
everything and you only know singularly

765
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:21,360
what you witnessed and who you

766
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:23,010
communicated with and you've told me

767
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,470
that many times hey man I only know what

768
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:26,960
I know right

769
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,770
right sir but World War I was going to

770
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,380
go with Nick was is that I really want

771
00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:37,020
to read the book and because some of the

772
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,550
stuff he brought up has been addressed

773
00:41:42,830 --> 00:41:41,220
before he brought up one of the early

774
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:42,840
researchers that did a lot of work that

775
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,180
was way ahead of her time and what I

776
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,280
mean by ahead of her time was she was

777
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,400
already on the trail of Technology this

778
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:53,280
was way back in the early 80s and I had

779
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:55,050
an opportunity with her and Phoenix

780
00:41:59,570 --> 00:41:58,020
about 88 I think it was when she was

781
00:42:01,820 --> 00:41:59,580
speaking in a conference and feeding

782
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:01,830
someone sat down and talked for several

783
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,560
hours and we I'm seeing a copy of her

784
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:06,780
book sky Christ but what she went on

785
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:09,510
from there on from some of her books and

786
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,390
technology were pretty amazing but the

787
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:14,640
fact that she was already into this way

788
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,860
before anybody else that even bridged

789
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:18,780
that gap and that was Jenny Randall's

790
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:22,530
and she did a lot of good research and

791
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:25,110
she had some insight with some people

792
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:27,630
inside the mo D and then another guy

793
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:30,180
brought up was ralph noise which if you

794
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:34,020
read rouse book it's an eye-opener so

795
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:38,190
about how he you know wove

796
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:40,770
you know Rendlesham into this book that

797
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:43,170
was supposedly fiction you know what I

798
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:43,530
mean

799
00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:51,450
right right Colonel Hoyt and I guess at

800
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,360
one point I'll throw some names out one

801
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:56,160
of the people involved in the book could

802
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,170
have been Nick Pope you know you know

803
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,760
like Colonel Hall and I forget the name

804
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:01,920
of the other person but it could have

805
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:04,500
been Nick Pope himself was involved you

806
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:06,420
know his name was his character was

807
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:08,130
being used in the book also

808
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:11,940
okay so let's let me ask you man ask you

809
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:14,850
string of direct questions okay almost

810
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,460
all simple you know but but kind of the

811
00:43:24,089 --> 00:43:19,760
obvious things which

812
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:24,099
okay first thing if we are talking about

813
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:26,930
holographic imaging and that kind of

814
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:30,170
technology and how how advanced was it

815
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:32,510
in 1980 I don't I don't have any idea

816
00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:37,250
but when you and Jim are on your bellies

817
00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:39,950
right and you heard me mention this last

818
00:43:46,569 --> 00:43:42,260
night and you guys take a peek over the

819
00:43:48,849 --> 00:43:46,579
ridge I still put myself in that

820
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:48,859
position imagining you two going through

821
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:51,410
this I don't even know how you're saying

822
00:43:56,740 --> 00:43:54,290
today but nonetheless you or maybe

823
00:44:02,280 --> 00:43:56,750
you're not but you are looking over the

824
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:02,290
edge and you see an object on the ground

825
00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:05,450
it may be a craft it's something it's

826
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:10,940
glowing it's there and how can that that

827
00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:14,450
moment a be holographic because I think

828
00:44:18,819 --> 00:44:16,040
it was something physical but I want you

829
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:18,829
to answer that number one and number two

830
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:22,160
you and Jim saw the same thing and if

831
00:44:26,589 --> 00:44:23,980
you're on some kind of mild

832
00:44:30,490 --> 00:44:26,599
hallucinogenic drug that was missed it

833
00:44:34,569 --> 00:44:30,500
into the forest how can you and Jim have

834
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:34,579
the same hallucination okay

835
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:37,849
well let me answer just by its gonna I'm

836
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:39,260
going to have to backtrack a little bit

837
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:41,569
and then I'll get to the point number

838
00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:48,140
one in 1980 what we saw we both were

839
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:51,109
little three of us walked back just

840
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:53,390
totally perplexed because we couldn't

841
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:54,740
understand it you know what I mean

842
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:57,140
reading we're like what what could that

843
00:44:59,950 --> 00:44:57,740
have been

844
00:45:04,809 --> 00:44:59,960
there's no way we have their technology

845
00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:04,819
ok well now the research and a lot of

846
00:45:09,309 --> 00:45:07,700
declassified documents we did have that

847
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:09,319
type of technology - could have caused

848
00:45:15,099 --> 00:45:13,130
those effects now the part that you know

849
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:15,109
without reading the book so I'm just

850
00:45:20,349 --> 00:45:17,569
gonna go with the possible LSD and stuff

851
00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:20,359
which they come out before it wasn't

852
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:23,180
probably LSD okay because that was back

853
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:25,910
with him - all - okay and then key ultra

854
00:45:32,109 --> 00:45:30,140
J I got busted for it and so that they

855
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,119
had they would I think they shredded

856
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:33,680
documents or destroyed them

857
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:35,810
whatever and Congress was all over it

858
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:37,910
and then Carter became president what

859
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:40,760
happened was and this was confirmed from

860
00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:42,320
some people I've actually sat down with

861
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:44,360
who were inside the military at the time

862
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,570
was the after Carter became president

863
00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:49,280
and with all the heat coming down all

864
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:51,020
the technology the United States

865
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:53,450
government was working on to include the

866
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:55,640
initial part of SDI which was before

867
00:46:00,580 --> 00:45:57,650
Reagan even became president was all

868
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:00,590
transferred to the UK so his first

869
00:46:05,890 --> 00:46:03,350
assertion was it was all you take no it

870
00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:05,900
was a combination United States and you

871
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:08,390
know the United Kingdom working together

872
00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:12,050
through Marconi and that's where you get

873
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:13,670
into this whole thing with you had

874
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:16,100
defense companies involved that worked

875
00:46:19,570 --> 00:46:17,870
both in the United States and and you

876
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:19,580
know United Kingdom and sometimes other

877
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,250
countries so the first thing was we

878
00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:24,560
couldn't rationalize it because we

879
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:26,540
couldn't accept it as anything that we

880
00:46:31,180 --> 00:46:29,090
could have well if people only knew

881
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:31,190
today what we've had that's never come

882
00:46:35,050 --> 00:46:33,170
out it would blow their minds

883
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:35,060
do you know what I mean I do there's

884
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:37,340
technology that's either in R&D phase or

885
00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:39,410
operational now there hasn't even seen

886
00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:41,720
the light of day to the general public

887
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:43,580
that if they only could understand it it

888
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:45,830
would just be mind-blowing okay never

889
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,050
mind the fact that at that time I was

890
00:46:53,170 --> 00:46:50,480
you know just in the Air Force 20 years

891
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:53,180
old and I just couldn't accept it but

892
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:54,320
there's been more than enough

893
00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:56,930
information now that through research

894
00:47:03,010 --> 00:46:59,900
and hard core Declassified government

895
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:03,020
documents not you know some blogs and

896
00:47:07,150 --> 00:47:05,090
this is what they think it is but really

897
00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:07,160
good documents to support what was

898
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:09,560
really going on in 1980 you know with

899
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:12,650
inside UK and American government and

900
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:16,430
technology wise now the LSD part isn't

901
00:47:20,530 --> 00:47:19,130
probably whoa what hit us now you have

902
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:20,540
to go to condign which you've heard me

903
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:22,850
talk about before and if you go to the

904
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:26,090
report it talks about frequencies how it

905
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,070
alters your perception your mind how the

906
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,280
phenomenon itself to do it okay so the

907
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:34,160
e/m frequencies is what causes to see

908
00:47:38,410 --> 00:47:36,410
different things and affect what we saw

909
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:38,420
what we remembered and how we reacted to

910
00:47:43,870 --> 00:47:41,960
it not drugs and the government was

911
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,880
passed the drug part and they were

912
00:47:47,050 --> 00:47:46,400
looking at en technology and how could

913
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,060
he use what

914
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:49,520
nice lives and that's why the condign

915
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:52,490
and other declassified documents that

916
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:53,810
are you know that a real legitimate

917
00:47:58,750 --> 00:47:56,600
documents not these made up went the end

918
00:48:00,100 --> 00:47:58,760
some of the mj-12 documents and some of

919
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:00,110
this other stuff is right right now

920
00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:04,610
right well okay so yeah so that that

921
00:48:12,310 --> 00:48:07,400
brings me to the point

922
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:12,320
what do you saw it could technology have

923
00:48:20,050 --> 00:48:17,090
supported you thinking it was real or

924
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:20,060
was it the opposite was it a real object

925
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:23,180
and there wasn't any type of Project

926
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:27,770
Blue Beam holographic you know Coachella

927
00:48:36,370 --> 00:48:33,440
Festival okay first of all I've never

928
00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:36,380
said I saw an object Penniston did okay

929
00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:39,830
what I've always stated to include my

930
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:41,990
statement was I saw some kind of lights

931
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:44,750
some kind of stuff if you go to a halt

932
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,530
memo even to unexplained lights okay so

933
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:51,440
now we go to the next part that's real

934
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:53,330
that's very intriguing and very

935
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:54,770
interesting and there's a lot of

936
00:49:00,040 --> 00:48:57,890
documentation to support it there and

937
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:00,050
the guy wrote a book but it was a

938
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:02,510
researcher it was actually working he

939
00:49:07,450 --> 00:49:05,030
gets upset one is he's it's tied to a

940
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,460
government project but it was funded

941
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:08,960
through his university and he was down

942
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:11,000
there working on a phenomenon it's there

943
00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:13,190
it's known to be there it's been

944
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:15,560
admitted to be there to include even the

945
00:49:22,030 --> 00:49:19,150
condign reports as it was UAP okay now

946
00:49:24,340 --> 00:49:22,040
it's it's an energy okay

947
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:24,350
now what's interesting is a lot of

948
00:49:29,350 --> 00:49:25,970
people think they were experimenting on

949
00:49:31,210 --> 00:49:29,360
us what a lot of the facts show is they

950
00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:31,220
weren't experimenting on us especially

951
00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:33,620
the first night we just saw something

952
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:36,200
and got involved in it they were doing

953
00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:38,870
experimentation on the phenomenon that's

954
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:41,860
there this is an energy plasma type

955
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:44,750
intelligent phenomenon that condign in

956
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,650
this exists and the fact is is that they

957
00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:50,240
were studying it and it says in the

958
00:49:56,860 --> 00:49:52,550
combat report for military application

959
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,870
and this was a 1980 how do how do you

960
00:50:01,310 --> 00:49:58,680
explain

961
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:01,320
of all of you sharing if it was a

962
00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:03,510
drug-induced hallucination or

963
00:50:08,330 --> 00:50:05,790
electromagnetic induced hallucination

964
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:08,340
how do you explain everybody having this

965
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:10,650
seeing the same thing which also goes

966
00:50:16,850 --> 00:50:12,990
back to halt on the first night too as

967
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,860
well no no actually how does the only

968
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:18,960
one who shows triangular the bad sex

969
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:20,490
never sat down and the interviews he's

970
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:22,320
done I've never said that and Halse

971
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:24,450
never said I was trying doing listen to

972
00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:26,280
his tape and what he said well he said

973
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:28,320
it was like lights and eyes winking at

974
00:50:32,090 --> 00:50:29,730
you correct this was different than what

975
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:32,100
Penniston said he saw now when it comes

976
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:35,010
to Penniston um he's early on said

977
00:50:38,420 --> 00:50:37,140
certain things that he stood by through

978
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:38,430
the years there's been other things he

979
00:50:44,060 --> 00:50:41,130
has added to it and changed but there

980
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:44,070
was the initial thing of about certain

981
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:45,540
things that he took place even in his

982
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:49,140
earliest interviews okay so here's where

983
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:51,480
it gets very interesting to me okay and

984
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:55,020
it involves some of why I think I was

985
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,800
visited by certain people including dr.

986
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:01,440
Greene and all that I didn't hypnosis

987
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,150
did we ever talk about this on the air

988
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:05,880
in 1988 I know we've talked about it off

989
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:09,810
of the air okay I I was a 1 under and

990
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:13,170
hypnosis session in 1988 and the reason

991
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,110
why I did it was you remember this show

992
00:51:21,350 --> 00:51:17,760
that was going to come out UFO cover-up

993
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:21,360
lives that's right I was invited to go

994
00:51:24,590 --> 00:51:23,790
on the show and the executive producer

995
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:24,600
Kurt Brubaker

996
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,090
who's the guy it's deep in technology

997
00:51:31,850 --> 00:51:29,520
would start looking at him it starts to

998
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:31,860
explain some of what went on he brought

999
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,980
me out to LA and I interviewed with

1000
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:36,900
producer and I forget his name now but

1001
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:39,210
he was you know one of the bigger guys

1002
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:41,070
trying to run this whole thing with

1003
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,990
Beautiful's are gonna be exposed Dodi

1004
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:44,400
and all those guys were involved in it

1005
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:48,090
and so we met for lunch and I don't know

1006
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:49,560
if you remember the name Spago's but we

1007
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,910
were at Spago's they were kind of make a

1008
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:53,040
big deal that we were in there was hard

1009
00:52:03,590 --> 00:51:54,510
to get in there you're dating yourself

1010
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,600
now and I caught him trying to record me

1011
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:05,220
as his system was kind of quote me and I

1012
00:52:08,090 --> 00:52:07,230
challenged him on that and we didn't get

1013
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:08,100
along very well

1014
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:10,890
so after the the meeting

1015
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:12,599
took me back this house in Beverly Hills

1016
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:15,630
and and said you know what I don't

1017
00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:19,559
really want you on this show but I want

1018
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:21,390
to do a lot more research into your case

1019
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:23,450
and I want to do something more deep

1020
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:26,670
involved in Rendlesham all right okay we

1021
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:28,049
have a problem here John because you

1022
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:29,400
can't remember what happened see both

1023
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,410
times you got close to it let's put you

1024
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:33,660
under hypnosis so I brought in a

1025
00:52:38,269 --> 00:52:35,369
professional guy there was a police

1026
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,279
officer and at the time I didn't give

1027
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:39,839
all the facts until after the hypnosis

1028
00:52:45,289 --> 00:52:42,990
took place but a guy by the name of Bob

1029
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:45,299
Emma Nagar

1030
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:48,180
was involved with this inside the whole

1031
00:52:52,759 --> 00:52:50,250
project and with some of the people

1032
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:52,769
inside that were working on this and one

1033
00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:54,119
of the guys that was working on his

1034
00:53:00,940 --> 00:52:56,150
behind the scenes it was called put off

1035
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:00,950
okay yep and what happened was this

1036
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:04,650
hypnosis is mind-blowing and there's

1037
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:08,190
stuff in it in 1988 that one that was

1038
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,250
finished was like wow this is unreal

1039
00:53:17,299 --> 00:53:14,160
this can't be possible and over the

1040
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:17,309
years step-by-step what I was talking

1041
00:53:20,749 --> 00:53:19,049
about and the way I was reacting what I

1042
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:20,759
was remembering what was going on has

1043
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:24,089
come to fruition and and been proven out

1044
00:53:30,759 --> 00:53:27,000
that what I said maybe it was real but

1045
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:30,769
here's the thing okay that is

1046
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:33,660
mind-blowing but it ties into a lot of

1047
00:53:38,359 --> 00:53:36,089
different things to me one of the things

1048
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:38,369
that was going on which was verified by

1049
00:53:42,289 --> 00:53:40,740
some other people and clearly put off in

1050
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:42,299
his group when I met with him later that

1051
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:44,130
it was all passed around inside the

1052
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:47,339
intelligence agencies was what I was

1053
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:49,410
actually able to communicate with

1054
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:53,940
something under hypnosis that apparently

1055
00:54:00,769 --> 00:53:58,740
was probably from the future and what

1056
00:54:03,289 --> 00:54:00,779
was coming out was and now remember this

1057
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:03,299
is an 88 now not today with all the

1058
00:54:08,509 --> 00:54:04,890
crazy stuff that's come out since then

1059
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:08,519
mm-hmm I was interacting with a life

1060
00:54:17,749 --> 00:54:13,859
form that was energy based and it's

1061
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:17,759
pretty much was within the conversation

1062
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,430
what went on was this this energy based

1063
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:22,680
life form was probably us from the

1064
00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:23,940
future

1065
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:29,260
now how do we impact that John how do

1066
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:32,530
how do seriously how do we unpack that

1067
00:54:39,630 --> 00:54:34,990
you know the word we're speaking right

1068
00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:39,640
now but for everybody listening now we

1069
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,380
are left with how do we unpack that

1070
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:46,240
because well that was the problem in

1071
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:51,040
1988 it was like what this can't be real

1072
00:54:55,830 --> 00:54:53,770
this is unbelievable and in fact what I

1073
00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:55,840
didn't know or I suspect a little bit at

1074
00:55:01,020 --> 00:54:58,420
the time was the Brubaker's edge or as

1075
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:01,030
he was a technical technology base he

1076
00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:04,510
had actually worked for Learjet and then

1077
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:06,580
he worked for GM and the funny thing was

1078
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:09,010
through research brew Becker worked at

1079
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:10,870
GM the same time kicked green work to do

1080
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:13,990
it so it all goes back around to

1081
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:16,510
technology and development stuff and he

1082
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:18,490
was working on his old company that was

1083
00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:21,250
looking at technology and then along the

1084
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:22,840
way comes Chuck the Carl that gets in

1085
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:25,150
the middle of it would Brubaker blue the

1086
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:28,690
Carl ends up going to work for a guy

1087
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:31,570
called Yoda which is was the top

1088
00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:34,510
think-tank guy for years and he trained

1089
00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:36,040
most of the Secretary of Defense was

1090
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:38,860
right up till Obama that came in and was

1091
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:41,140
the top guy in technology now for the

1092
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,720
audience Chuck de Caro was the the

1093
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:46,480
journalist was CNN that was involved

1094
00:55:52,890 --> 00:55:48,420
with the case from nearly the beginning

1095
00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:52,900
right in the mind control and technology

1096
00:55:57,090 --> 00:55:54,760
he ended up working for Andy Marshall

1097
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,100
and all you got to do is a niggle and be

1098
00:56:01,530 --> 00:55:59,200
Marcel enjoy blown away by this

1099
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:01,540
technology advancements and what he did

1100
00:56:05,970 --> 00:56:04,150
to include anything Andy Marshall was

1101
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:05,980
partly behind the collapse of Soviet

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00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:08,070
Union with us the eye and everything

1103
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:11,800
well okay this is John this is what

1104
00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:15,010
obviously we need to do is we're going

1105
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:17,020
to continue this conversation I need to

1106
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:19,660
take a break here in a second and we're

1107
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:21,610
going to continue all of this because

1108
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,330
there is so much more to talk about here

1109
00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:28,240
and we can't just stop in the middle of

1110
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:31,180
a couple of sentences here and now so

1111
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:35,770
can I get you to hang on now and and one

1112
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:36,030
of

1113
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:41,280
thing and I really respect you for being

1114
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:45,690
a a gentleman and second very respectful

1115
00:56:51,610 --> 00:56:48,900
of everybody in the UFO community I know

1116
00:56:54,380 --> 00:56:51,620
that you have been through an awful lot

1117
00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:54,390
over the years I can't imagine the

1118
00:57:00,590 --> 00:56:56,550
things that you and your family have

1119
00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:00,600
gone through as well as your friends and

1120
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:02,670
and fellow servicemen and women in the

1121
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:06,960
Air Force that have endured just way way

1122
00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:09,540
too much but you've stuck with this and

1123
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:11,580
you are here tonight and I want to thank

1124
00:57:15,980 --> 00:57:13,710
you in advance so with that let's take a

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00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:15,990
quick break our community respects you

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00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,800
so much John

1127
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:18,960
so stay right there John Burroughs

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00:57:25,870 --> 00:57:22,580
surprise caller last night and today

1129
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:25,880
talking about Nick Redferns new book and

1130
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:30,150
John just man I don't know janna think

1131
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:32,460
you just broke a story here on fade to

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00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,010
black and I'm very rarely at a loss for

1133
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,500
words so thank you for doing that and

1134
00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:39,540
we'll continue the conversation when we

1135
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:40,860
come back after this your break stay

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[Music]

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01:02:55,059 --> 01:02:52,670
welcome back fade to black out meros

1236
01:02:58,270 --> 01:02:55,069
Jimmy Church it is Thursday night it is

1237
01:03:01,569 --> 01:02:58,280
Fator nights but tonight we have a very

1238
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:01,579
special guest call in and John burrows

1239
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:04,970
is joining us doing a little bit of a

1240
01:03:08,650 --> 01:03:06,500
follow up of our show last night with

1241
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,660
Nick Redfern discussing his new book the

1242
01:03:14,740 --> 01:03:11,359
Rendlesham forest conspiracy and and

1243
01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:14,750
John you know I just said you know the

1244
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:16,700
words unpack how do i you know how do we

1245
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:19,910
unpack this and I want to generalize a

1246
01:03:26,410 --> 01:03:21,770
couple of things from what you just said

1247
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:26,420
and and that is and I'm gonna follow up

1248
01:03:34,089 --> 01:03:29,359
with Penniston it which is this it

1249
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:34,099
sounds like you are suggesting that Nick

1250
01:03:38,290 --> 01:03:36,230
Redfern may be onto something

1251
01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:38,300
and that historically these things have

1252
01:03:42,339 --> 01:03:40,670
been referenced in the past not all of

1253
01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:42,349
it but some of it and you haven't read

1254
01:03:47,260 --> 01:03:44,780
the book but based on what Nick was

1255
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:47,270
saying last night there could be some

1256
01:03:53,170 --> 01:03:49,849
things to examine here number one number

1257
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:53,180
two that you didn't see anything when

1258
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:54,890
you looked over the hill and you and I

1259
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:56,480
have discussed this so many times I've

1260
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:59,839
tried to get you to to say you know what

1261
01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:01,760
you had seen but you had blacked out at

1262
01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:04,060
that moment so that is a great

1263
01:04:11,550 --> 01:04:05,990
clarification and then the third thing

1264
01:04:14,849 --> 01:04:11,560
is that there may be some type of

1265
01:04:17,650 --> 01:04:14,859
paranormal interdimensional

1266
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,660
communication or witnessing with

1267
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:19,520
something from the future not

1268
01:04:26,109 --> 01:04:23,359
necessarily extraterrestrial which leads

1269
01:04:29,230 --> 01:04:26,119
me to Penniston which is something that

1270
01:04:31,540 --> 01:04:29,240
he's been very public about over the

1271
01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:31,550
years is that where we are at right now

1272
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:34,550
before we move on yeah the only thing

1273
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:37,490
that's not totally right is what I did

1274
01:04:42,190 --> 01:04:39,680
see something but it wasn't a triangular

1275
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:42,200
object but it was more like lights and

1276
01:04:48,430 --> 01:04:44,710
some you know what I drew my statement

1277
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,440
so and it was it wasn't like what

1278
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:50,480
Penniston said word and he got up he

1279
01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:51,770
went around it touch there was

1280
01:04:55,030 --> 01:04:53,300
triangular nature but there was

1281
01:04:57,550 --> 01:04:55,040
something there but it was unexplained

1282
01:05:00,460 --> 01:04:57,560
lights which is kind of what halts memo

1283
01:05:01,450 --> 01:05:00,470
I said there was something there and at

1284
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,460
the time

1285
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:03,680
it's 1980 you don't

1286
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:05,089
you don't have a reference stuff to do

1287
01:05:09,970 --> 01:05:07,510
now or document access and stuff but

1288
01:05:12,190 --> 01:05:09,980
what what we've been able to come up

1289
01:05:14,620 --> 01:05:12,200
with support that it was some kind of

1290
01:05:16,839 --> 01:05:14,630
energy form or phenomenon they reminded

1291
01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:16,849
Declassified or what partial

1292
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:20,390
declassification of condign so so good i

1293
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:23,450
black out not necessarily if you go in

1294
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:25,490
the con day it'll tell you that whatever

1295
01:05:28,990 --> 01:05:27,050
you're dealing with could affect what

1296
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:29,000
you see and how you see it and what you

1297
01:05:34,750 --> 01:05:31,369
remember and alter your memory but not

1298
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:34,760
only that if you ever heard of Persinger

1299
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:37,609
and the gods helmet i'd say that again i

1300
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:40,130
didn't quite hear you his last name was

1301
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:41,210
he was a scientist by the name of

1302
01:05:46,329 --> 01:05:44,030
Persinger and he worked on Persinger yes

1303
01:05:48,609 --> 01:05:46,339
of course of course of course yeah well

1304
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:48,619
he was working with green put off on all

1305
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:51,530
those guys and that is they put this

1306
01:05:57,309 --> 01:05:55,119
helmet on you and in the axial am

1307
01:05:59,440 --> 01:05:57,319
frequencies affect what you see and how

1308
01:06:01,329 --> 01:05:59,450
you see it and one of the things why

1309
01:06:03,069 --> 01:06:01,339
they call it the god helmet was because

1310
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:03,079
when they zapped people with it they

1311
01:06:09,099 --> 01:06:06,730
thought they saw god but it wasn't god

1312
01:06:13,059 --> 01:06:09,109
but that's what they perceived they saw

1313
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:13,069
they off of what they have a modulated

1314
01:06:22,859 --> 01:06:16,900
the frequencies in the mind now okay

1315
01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:22,869
there is a few things that need to be

1316
01:06:28,839 --> 01:06:25,940
directly talked about here and that is

1317
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:28,849
the what what happened on the first

1318
01:06:32,579 --> 01:06:31,160
night will possibly happen on the second

1319
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:32,589
night what happened on the third night

1320
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:35,930
the first and second farmers fields

1321
01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:39,170
crafts on the ground crafts above the

1322
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:42,799
ammo dumps beaming lights coming to the

1323
01:06:51,460 --> 01:06:47,450
ground crafts above the the forest the

1324
01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:51,470
radar reports that have been out there

1325
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:56,150
and the the dripping molten metal that

1326
01:07:00,940 --> 01:06:57,890
was described by Colonel halt

1327
01:07:03,130 --> 01:07:00,950
of course his tape and everybody that

1328
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:03,140
was with Colonel halt that night we're

1329
01:07:07,630 --> 01:07:05,690
also seeing the same things but the

1330
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,640
other point to everything that I just

1331
01:07:11,799 --> 01:07:09,680
mentioned John which is what I need you

1332
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:11,809
to comment on you had just mentioned

1333
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:15,040
that everybody kind of had a different

1334
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:17,090
story that night there

1335
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:19,970
own experience and and I and I mentioned

1336
01:07:24,310 --> 01:07:22,640
that last night and that is something

1337
01:07:26,110 --> 01:07:24,320
that we're all trying to figure out we

1338
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:26,120
know something happened in the woods

1339
01:07:29,650 --> 01:07:27,830
we're just trying to figure out what

1340
01:07:33,490 --> 01:07:29,660
happened in the woods and and who's

1341
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:33,500
whose testimony is as closest to the

1342
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:35,210
mark right isn't isn't that kind of

1343
01:07:41,950 --> 01:07:38,570
where we're at these days well yeah but

1344
01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:41,960
it's not fair to hold okay let me

1345
01:07:47,110 --> 01:07:44,990
rephrase this so I get it right each

1346
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:47,120
person that was out there directly

1347
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:49,520
directly involved had different

1348
01:07:54,430 --> 01:07:51,770
perceptions but if you listen to the

1349
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,440
whole state if you listen to the guys

1350
01:07:59,530 --> 01:07:56,720
talking they never said crap

1351
01:08:01,780 --> 01:07:59,540
they said lights it's all they ever talk

1352
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:01,790
about here it comes from the south now

1353
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:03,490
it's being in a light down at us now

1354
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:06,650
what's very interesting Jimmy is we now

1355
01:08:11,860 --> 01:08:09,680
declassified documents this show that

1356
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:11,870
they were able at that point time to use

1357
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:15,530
lasers and create either through this

1358
01:08:20,349 --> 01:08:17,810
phenomenon itself was just something to

1359
01:08:22,540 --> 01:08:20,359
a plasma they were create they were able

1360
01:08:26,980 --> 01:08:22,550
to create these blue lights with plasma

1361
01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:26,990
and control them with lasers now at that

1362
01:08:32,890 --> 01:08:29,270
point right there in that area they were

1363
01:08:36,910 --> 01:08:32,900
working on that technology right so this

1364
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,920
is is this the you know holographic

1365
01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:39,440
projection technology that Nick Redfern

1366
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:42,440
is referencing well see how different it

1367
01:09:02,800 --> 01:08:42,650
is

1368
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:02,810
a lot of the stuffs Declassified in fact

1369
01:09:07,630 --> 01:09:04,970
I have good working inside information

1370
01:09:10,090 --> 01:09:07,640
that that was a cut and paste job that

1371
01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:10,100
they put out when the David Clarke found

1372
01:09:13,690 --> 01:09:11,870
out about some kind of report floating

1373
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:13,700
around and the British a little

1374
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:15,530
different than the Americans they will

1375
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:16,400
release things

1376
01:09:21,010 --> 01:09:19,520
it's Betsy Clark which at the time I was

1377
01:09:22,329 --> 01:09:21,020
really upset with him when they said

1378
01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:22,339
they really saw the documents and I

1379
01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:24,380
found out later through his own emails

1380
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,120
everything all the research that he

1381
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:29,120
really did get hoodwinked by the fact

1382
01:09:31,769 --> 01:09:30,250
that they have

1383
01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:31,779
documents that they told them they were

1384
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:33,490
going to Lucy knew about him but they

1385
01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:36,130
didn't and he spent three or four years

1386
01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:38,440
inside the legal system and he forced

1387
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:41,020
their hand on a lot of stuff but getting

1388
01:09:46,410 --> 01:09:44,560
back to it is in condign what's been

1389
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:46,420
released what's been declassified and a

1390
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:48,940
lot of you and that is still redacted it

1391
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:51,250
talks about a real phenomenon and they

1392
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:54,610
call it a u18 and then you remember one

1393
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,050
quit and when she said there's a new

1394
01:10:01,260 --> 01:09:58,960
thing called the you IP it's an energy

1395
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:01,270
thing and and even what Trump's just

1396
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:03,790
said when he said yeah I see mutates

1397
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:06,630
it's very interesting okay

1398
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:09,070
everything about this including the

1399
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:11,380
condi documents was nobody wants to make

1400
01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:13,090
serious because it goes back what

1401
01:10:17,550 --> 01:10:15,100
Redford said last night it's not the

1402
01:10:19,530 --> 01:10:17,560
nuts and bolts ufologist stuff they want

1403
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:19,540
to hear and believe in they don't want

1404
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:21,820
to follow up with it but in condign it

1405
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:23,680
admits they were going to continue

1406
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:26,890
working on this for military use well

1407
01:10:36,990 --> 01:10:31,330
and you know what know after poring over

1408
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:37,000
condign and you and i off of the air you

1409
01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:39,610
and I discuss very specific paragraphs

1410
01:10:43,950 --> 01:10:42,550
of the condign report and and you know

1411
01:10:47,940 --> 01:10:43,960
we're trying to pick it apart to see

1412
01:10:49,860 --> 01:10:47,950
what they were referencing and only you

1413
01:10:51,630 --> 01:10:49,870
understand these conversations that

1414
01:10:55,950 --> 01:10:51,640
we've had in the past but there was one

1415
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:55,960
point that I brought up with you that is

1416
01:11:01,950 --> 01:10:57,850
in the report that I think it's the most

1417
01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:01,960
telling sentence in all of condign which

1418
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:05,260
is they say that these effects are known

1419
01:11:11,850 --> 01:11:10,270
effects from you ApS how you know and

1420
01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:11,860
I'm paraphrasing a little bit here but

1421
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:13,870
that's pretty much word-for-word with it

1422
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:16,270
what is said in the report and all that

1423
01:11:24,270 --> 01:11:21,250
tells me is a you ApS are real they know

1424
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,280
what they are and they know the effects

1425
01:11:31,380 --> 01:11:26,320
on humans because it's happened in the

1426
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,390
past and this is just what happens this

1427
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,360
is that's how they that's how they

1428
01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:35,920
dispel it out in the condign report

1429
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,100
don't they right let go even deeper to

1430
01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:41,440
say many people in exposed to this it's

1431
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:43,480
even in the content report which pulped

1432
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:44,050
years ago

1433
01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:46,150
got on Fox and talked about how there

1434
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,820
were dog fights with you APs and there

1435
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:50,560
was stuff going on and I remember the

1436
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:52,750
guy that asked them dog fights well I

1437
01:11:57,660 --> 01:11:54,880
heard about that and if it is usually

1438
01:11:59,670 --> 01:11:57,670
drew it back in and got you got kind of

1439
01:12:01,770 --> 01:11:59,680
excited on this interview and he said

1440
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:01,780
more than he made me shut up and he kind

1441
01:12:05,970 --> 01:12:03,670
of drew it back in but he said yes there

1442
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:05,980
was stuff going on which isn't on dying

1443
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:08,980
weather things that went on that with

1444
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:10,930
the interaction with aircraft annuities

1445
01:12:15,630 --> 01:12:13,090
to include the fact that different

1446
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:15,640
mission commanders that involve air

1447
01:12:20,910 --> 01:12:19,030
wings and stuff were briefed on not only

1448
01:12:23,940 --> 01:12:20,920
if there was an experience with the

1449
01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:23,950
pilot or a group you know flying how to

1450
01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:27,820
try to handle it afterwards ordering to

1451
01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:29,470
include the pilots and soldier briefed

1452
01:12:35,190 --> 01:12:31,630
on what to do not to do with the

1453
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:35,200
encounters it took place so where do you

1454
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:38,560
think we are I mean you know obviously

1455
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:43,600
it's is such a basic question but where

1456
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:45,610
are we you know when we look at

1457
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:48,400
Rendlesham and I was asked a few times

1458
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:51,250
today even Rita said I literally Rita

1459
01:12:58,710 --> 01:12:54,120
said okay so where are you with this and

1460
01:13:00,540 --> 01:12:58,720
okay it hasn't changed my mind and I'm

1461
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,550
talking about next book in the show last

1462
01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:03,040
night because I know that something

1463
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:05,350
extraordinary happened in Rendlesham

1464
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:09,790
forest I just I just know this I don't I

1465
01:13:16,650 --> 01:13:12,130
don't think it was hallucinogenic drugs

1466
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:16,660
and holographic tech that that I don't

1467
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:19,390
really very well most likely was and I

1468
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:21,130
say likely because I haven't been able

1469
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:22,660
to put all this information out you know

1470
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:25,090
which I plan on doing you know in book

1471
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:27,190
form with documents and support and

1472
01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:29,650
stuff I'm working with UK researcher

1473
01:13:35,190 --> 01:13:31,630
that he's done done an unbelievable job

1474
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:35,200
um that we'll be able to back it up and

1475
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:36,070
what I mean by that

1476
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:40,600
no not I totally want to read it you

1477
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:42,910
know records book and um what I heard

1478
01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:45,190
from him say last night was well when

1479
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:46,870
you guys talk about how we're not sure

1480
01:13:52,290 --> 01:13:48,850
yet and there's not enough evidence well

1481
01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:52,300
there's not yet as Nick Pope would like

1482
01:13:56,910 --> 01:13:54,310
to say there's not a UFO and a hangar

1483
01:13:57,330 --> 01:13:56,920
but there's a ton of information that

1484
01:13:58,920 --> 01:13:57,340
pain

1485
01:14:02,520 --> 01:13:58,930
picture that can explain a lot of this

1486
01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:02,530
and what was funny is the cutting-edge

1487
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,350
stuff that were working on in 1980 and

1488
01:14:11,370 --> 01:14:07,360
earlier this stuff you're seeing with

1489
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:11,380
Tic Tac and other things today so you're

1490
01:14:17,460 --> 01:14:15,010
suggesting Terrestrial I'm suggesting

1491
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:17,470
this and and I'm glad you came you know

1492
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:20,800
you asked me to say this it's stuff that

1493
01:14:25,650 --> 01:14:23,290
we've gleaned by studying whatever this

1494
01:14:26,820 --> 01:14:25,660
phenomenon is which we never get to the

1495
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:26,830
bottom of because too many people

1496
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:30,250
arguing about it's you know a human type

1497
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:32,290
form or something from Zeta Reticuli

1498
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:34,510
right they don't want to accept condign

1499
01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:35,170
at all

1500
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:36,790
they don't accept that there is some

1501
01:14:41,850 --> 01:14:38,650
kind of energy form out there that's

1502
01:14:43,530 --> 01:14:41,860
most likely a life form that god only

1503
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,540
knows where it comes from which even

1504
01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:45,520
could be us from the future

1505
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:49,630
okay and the and the bottom line is is

1506
01:14:54,330 --> 01:14:51,610
it's just like everything else it goes

1507
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:54,340
on it's all tied up and it hits people's

1508
01:14:59,550 --> 01:14:56,290
points they don't want to look at the

1509
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,560
deep down the research at it and they

1510
01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:01,840
don't want to go where they don't want

1511
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:04,180
to believe is possible and like Redford

1512
01:15:07,470 --> 01:15:06,010
said last night is booked I won't be a

1513
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:07,480
best-seller because it's going to touch

1514
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:09,490
on things that the people inside ufology

1515
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:11,260
don't want to don't want to deal with

1516
01:15:15,150 --> 01:15:13,480
and and just like all the stuff that

1517
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,160
we've worked on and we're going to put

1518
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:17,440
out a lot of people in ufology aren't

1519
01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:19,810
going to agree that I like it but we've

1520
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:21,880
got documentation and we can paint a

1521
01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:24,310
pretty good picture of what went on

1522
01:15:28,530 --> 01:15:25,990
probably in 1980 and how the

1523
01:15:31,140 --> 01:15:28,540
technologies of all and even explain how

1524
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:31,150
a pack exists and one of the things that

1525
01:15:36,270 --> 01:15:33,370
goes on jimmy is like okay you think

1526
01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:36,280
about the six and 15 right and six it

1527
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:38,920
was probably Rd and you look at the area

1528
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,490
it was an odds-on just slipped up or he

1529
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:45,040
said something on what's the name of the

1530
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:46,690
show they did and they doing the second

1531
01:15:52,740 --> 01:15:50,410
year on unidentified or something yeah

1532
01:15:54,570 --> 01:15:52,750
identified it was one of the episodes

1533
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,580
was episode three or four where he said

1534
01:15:58,440 --> 01:15:56,560
he went as they were going to the break

1535
01:16:01,050 --> 01:15:58,450
he said there's radars and stuff down

1536
01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:01,060
there in that general direction that

1537
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:02,350
could have played a part in it

1538
01:16:06,180 --> 01:16:04,450
they broke and he never came back and

1539
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,190
talked about it because here's the thing

1540
01:16:10,689 --> 01:16:09,520
the technology and six and even in 15

1541
01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:10,699
because if you go to floor

1542
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,260
and you look at what's down there

1543
01:16:15,939 --> 01:16:14,719
stealth technology is all gone their

1544
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:15,949
radars all this new technology

1545
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:18,110
everything they're working on is right

1546
01:16:22,270 --> 01:16:20,510
down in an area where it would be

1547
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:22,280
operational that could affected that

1548
01:16:26,830 --> 01:16:24,050
last right never mind

1549
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:26,840
the helmet that they're using on they

1550
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:29,690
started using it in six which control

1551
01:16:37,870 --> 01:16:33,289
the the pilot control drones and all

1552
01:16:42,069 --> 01:16:37,880
kinds of other things okay and they

1553
01:16:45,009 --> 01:16:42,079
haven't been able yet totally to get the

1554
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:45,019
energy or the power source defined

1555
01:16:50,410 --> 01:16:47,510
enough to keep it or it can be worldwide

1556
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,420
operational or at least in six they have

1557
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:52,159
it and they were getting closer and 15

1558
01:16:56,890 --> 01:16:54,289
and god only knows where it is now but

1559
01:17:00,910 --> 01:16:56,900
he does tie into it the phenomenon right

1560
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:00,920
that's intelligent based now are we are

1561
01:17:09,819 --> 01:17:05,420
we getting closer and closer to a shock

1562
01:17:12,009 --> 01:17:09,829
Vallet point of view and theory on this

1563
01:17:13,709 --> 01:17:12,019
where jacque says hey we're probably

1564
01:17:15,609 --> 01:17:13,719
dealing with something completely

1565
01:17:18,430 --> 01:17:15,619
interdimensional not necessarily

1566
01:17:22,569 --> 01:17:18,440
physical and that's where we need to

1567
01:17:24,069 --> 01:17:22,579
focus the science right now yeah the

1568
01:17:25,779 --> 01:17:24,079
thing was is remember when Jacques

1569
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:25,789
analogous he was attacked unmercifully

1570
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:29,570
by the people inside ufology no doubt no

1571
01:17:32,259 --> 01:17:29,840
doubt

1572
01:17:35,859 --> 01:17:32,269
and they don't they don't want to go off

1573
01:17:39,370 --> 01:17:35,869
and that's in both sting of some kind of

1574
01:17:42,219 --> 01:17:39,380
you know saucer has traveled across the

1575
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:42,229
universe to show itself briefly to us

1576
01:17:46,509 --> 01:17:44,510
but then we've never been able to narrow

1577
01:17:50,129 --> 01:17:46,519
it down you know what I mean yeah but I

1578
01:17:54,699 --> 01:17:50,139
don't want to get off that idea either

1579
01:17:56,859 --> 01:17:54,709
look if we've uncovered and what we've

1580
01:17:58,810 --> 01:17:56,869
learned from this phenomenon and the

1581
01:18:00,640 --> 01:17:58,820
technology were developing or have

1582
01:18:03,219 --> 01:18:00,650
developed and the uses it can be done

1583
01:18:04,779 --> 01:18:03,229
with it it's been one of the other

1584
01:18:07,029 --> 01:18:04,789
things that slowed it down was the

1585
01:18:09,969 --> 01:18:07,039
computing ability which we now have

1586
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:09,979
quantum computing sure which was the key

1587
01:18:16,509 --> 01:18:13,280
to making this work and and the energy

1588
01:18:18,489 --> 01:18:16,519
abilities to generate the energy like I

1589
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:18,499
think I talked on your last show where

1590
01:18:23,649 --> 01:18:21,199
and if you notice what you can't leak

1591
01:18:24,509 --> 01:18:23,659
out a little bit was put off on those

1592
01:18:27,450 --> 01:18:24,519
guys got a

1593
01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:27,460
with the paint company immediately yeah

1594
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:30,150
ma'am what yeah but check this out

1595
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:34,719
through condign I got the mo D to admit

1596
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:38,530
that they had developed a weapon off of

1597
01:18:43,799 --> 01:18:41,530
this phenomena in the you a P they threw

1598
01:18:46,879 --> 01:18:43,809
the kitchen sink at me they gave me a

1599
01:18:50,419 --> 01:18:46,889
document there was 99% blacked out and

1600
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,429
what they did was they admitted it they

1601
01:18:54,779 --> 01:18:53,199
studied it is existing and they were

1602
01:18:57,089 --> 01:18:54,789
working on technology and they have a

1603
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,099
weapon and the one thing they didn't

1604
01:19:01,169 --> 01:18:58,960
black out was a tank company that's

1605
01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:01,179
based in Ohio in the United States now

1606
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:04,900
what's interesting is I've also learned

1607
01:19:07,979 --> 01:19:06,130
that one of the things they're working

1608
01:19:10,109 --> 01:19:07,989
on with tanks which is the safest way

1609
01:19:12,270 --> 01:19:10,119
right now but they're working on it

1610
01:19:14,970 --> 01:19:12,280
within the ship you know the Navy ships

1611
01:19:16,529 --> 01:19:14,980
too but the aircraft is we talked about

1612
01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:16,539
this where they can create a bubble a

1613
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:18,820
plasma bubble and it can disappear

1614
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:25,690
completely so okay okay I know that you

1615
01:19:33,419 --> 01:19:29,610
have said in the past that you don't

1616
01:19:34,799 --> 01:19:33,429
know you know what what went you know

1617
01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:34,809
what it wasn't what happened in

1618
01:19:42,109 --> 01:19:38,230
Rendlesham that you're open to any ideas

1619
01:19:46,799 --> 01:19:42,119
here are you would are you still

1620
01:19:50,129 --> 01:19:46,809
including an extraterrestrial et event

1621
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:50,139
as a possibility in Rendlesham I'm

1622
01:19:53,850 --> 01:19:52,090
concluding the fact that there was a you

1623
01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:53,860
ate whatever you eight years was

1624
01:19:58,169 --> 01:19:56,260
involved it was in that area it's in

1625
01:20:02,279 --> 01:19:58,179
other parts of the world you know it

1626
01:20:03,899 --> 01:20:02,289
skinwalker and the fact is is that the

1627
01:20:06,209 --> 01:20:03,909
government is aware of it they

1628
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:06,219
understand it and they're studying it

1629
01:20:10,739 --> 01:20:08,230
and they're utilizing it and our

1630
01:20:14,009 --> 01:20:10,749
technology that we're developing from it

1631
01:20:15,870 --> 01:20:14,019
is coming from whatever you ap is but

1632
01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:15,880
the bottom line is I can't tell you how

1633
01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:18,820
to % what are you eighty is yet but I

1634
01:20:23,850 --> 01:20:21,550
can tell you and show you and I will

1635
01:20:26,970 --> 01:20:23,860
here eventually with this great

1636
01:20:30,209 --> 01:20:26,980
researcher give a very good picture of

1637
01:20:33,029 --> 01:20:30,219
how where our technology was right

1638
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,039
before our incident what we probably

1639
01:20:36,809 --> 01:20:35,679
were involved with and how its evolved

1640
01:20:39,569 --> 01:20:36,819
over the years

1641
01:20:41,909 --> 01:20:39,579
why would the government will say I

1642
01:20:43,829 --> 01:20:41,919
wasn't in when this took place why did

1643
01:20:45,959 --> 01:20:43,839
they why are my records still classified

1644
01:20:48,089 --> 01:20:45,969
you know why did Department of Justice

1645
01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:48,099
have to get involved in all this why did

1646
01:20:52,619 --> 01:20:50,409
the CIA guys show up it's a doctor show

1647
01:20:54,539 --> 01:20:52,629
up and the one other thing I didn't tell

1648
01:20:58,139 --> 01:20:54,549
you about was with the Carl in the sky

1649
01:20:59,909 --> 01:20:58,149
when when the CIA guy showed up met with

1650
01:21:01,529 --> 01:20:59,919
my attorney and when you asked me one

1651
01:21:03,689 --> 01:21:01,539
time before was I tied down certain

1652
01:21:05,819 --> 01:21:03,699
things yes because of attorney-client

1653
01:21:08,369 --> 01:21:05,829
privilege to this doctor in my attorney

1654
01:21:10,889 --> 01:21:08,379
the bottom line was he provided

1655
01:21:12,449 --> 01:21:10,899
documents that were given to the VA in

1656
01:21:15,599 --> 01:21:12,459
the Department of Defense they brought

1657
01:21:17,609 --> 01:21:15,609
in DoD doctors and I got my surgery and

1658
01:21:20,789 --> 01:21:17,619
I eventually got my settlement right

1659
01:21:23,099 --> 01:21:20,799
mm-hmm but ultimately one of the things

1660
01:21:26,129 --> 01:21:23,109
that was in these documents that I can't

1661
01:21:28,139 --> 01:21:26,139
release I called up Chuck de Caro

1662
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:28,149
because of where who he was and what he

1663
01:21:32,549 --> 01:21:31,089
worked on and I read him I asked him

1664
01:21:33,839 --> 01:21:32,559
some questions he says where are you

1665
01:21:35,759 --> 01:21:33,849
going with this and how do you know

1666
01:21:38,489 --> 01:21:35,769
about this and I read him a paragraph

1667
01:21:40,859 --> 01:21:38,499
from the document and he went batshit

1668
01:21:42,329 --> 01:21:40,869
crazy and he said how did you learn this

1669
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:42,339
where did this come from this is

1670
01:21:47,250 --> 01:21:45,249
national security and whoever got gave

1671
01:21:50,579 --> 01:21:47,260
you this we need to find out who it is

1672
01:21:53,879 --> 01:21:50,589
well we talked about it and they ended

1673
01:21:56,759 --> 01:21:53,889
up having a meeting with Green DeCarlo

1674
01:21:58,199 --> 01:21:56,769
and Marshall and found out later Green

1675
01:22:01,829 --> 01:21:58,209
was involved with the Marshall group

1676
01:22:04,259 --> 01:22:01,839
anyway so this is all evolving

1677
01:22:06,270 --> 01:22:04,269
technology and stuff and that's one of

1678
01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:06,280
the other things was with my DNA and

1679
01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:08,289
everything else they got involved with

1680
01:22:14,129 --> 01:22:11,289
this I have been careful what I said

1681
01:22:16,739 --> 01:22:14,139
because I can't I've got a lot of proof

1682
01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:16,749
emails documentation even what Green

1683
01:22:22,109 --> 01:22:19,780
said publicly but it's been hard to get

1684
01:22:24,689 --> 01:22:22,119
enough documentation to back up what I

1685
01:22:26,579 --> 01:22:24,699
think's going on and we're really down

1686
01:22:28,619 --> 01:22:26,589
that line now where we've got a lot of

1687
01:22:30,779 --> 01:22:28,629
stuff that's going to support it and

1688
01:22:36,179 --> 01:22:30,789
that's why I've been super careful and

1689
01:22:38,969 --> 01:22:36,189
do you include in that part of of all of

1690
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:38,979
this in the UAP side do you include with

1691
01:22:47,459 --> 01:22:42,729
that the possibility of an experiment on

1692
01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:47,469
on US personnel I don't think it was the

1693
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:49,689
first night I think it was involving the

1694
01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:50,080
test

1695
01:22:54,210 --> 01:22:51,880
Pyke and his book even said they were

1696
01:22:56,010 --> 01:22:54,220
working on the phenomenon and they were

1697
01:22:57,660 --> 01:22:56,020
blasting in frequencies through the

1698
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,670
there were underground tunnels there

1699
01:23:01,080 --> 01:22:59,920
they're real and they were used for

1700
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:01,090
other things early on but they were

1701
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:03,130
using the forum to blast the phenomena

1702
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:05,530
and do other stuff so I think the first

1703
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:08,680
night we just went out there and when

1704
01:23:11,730 --> 01:23:10,330
what suppose you know as far as they

1705
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:11,740
didn't the Gros Ventre out that they had

1706
01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:14,050
plan on it but then I do think probably

1707
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:17,950
if not night to night three was was more

1708
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:20,890
of probably well it's the cats out of

1709
01:23:24,690 --> 01:23:23,410
the bag and now we're going to have to

1710
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:24,700
you know we're gonna have to wrap this

1711
01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:26,080
up some way and we're gonna have to

1712
01:23:30,650 --> 01:23:28,630
figure it out more so at that point that

1713
01:23:33,090 --> 01:23:30,660
third night maybe there was some

1714
01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:33,100
expectation on us based on what had come

1715
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:36,940
out the first two nights and the the

1716
01:23:43,260 --> 01:23:40,330
third part which is probably just as

1717
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:43,270
important as the first two is that if we

1718
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:47,050
look at all of this and then we add in a

1719
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:51,070
time travel element is the military

1720
01:23:59,700 --> 01:23:55,690
aware of contact with us from the future

1721
01:24:01,620 --> 01:23:59,710
and are they continuing this well that's

1722
01:24:03,870 --> 01:24:01,630
what you have to get into again put off

1723
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:03,880
and start gate and remote viewing

1724
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:06,840
because remote viewings technically

1725
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:10,330
travel you do using your mind to travel

1726
01:24:18,210 --> 01:24:14,470
to the future to see things and and and

1727
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:18,220
and look for things so in fact yes they

1728
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:21,010
are aware that there's a possibly order

1729
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:23,290
that you can go out and look at the

1730
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:26,560
future now the way time travel has been

1731
01:24:31,950 --> 01:24:29,530
explained to us is not necessarily the

1732
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:31,960
way it is all right they know you

1733
01:24:36,450 --> 01:24:33,970
understand I knew rightfully under some

1734
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:36,460
great TV and everything else but it's

1735
01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:39,040
probably not and I said probably because

1736
01:24:43,290 --> 01:24:41,350
I want to be careful because again I

1737
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:43,300
haven't done all the way or I've done a

1738
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:45,250
lot of research recently this guy's been

1739
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:47,170
working on a lot of it for quite a while

1740
01:24:52,650 --> 01:24:49,360
and he's putting it together really well

1741
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:52,660
but ultimately I don't want to watch it

1742
01:24:57,630 --> 01:24:55,840
right now until it's the finalized but

1743
01:25:01,740 --> 01:24:57,640
yes there's the ability to go forward

1744
01:25:03,689 --> 01:25:01,750
and look and that appears to be and and

1745
01:25:06,270 --> 01:25:03,699
and he's uncovered documents and what

1746
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,280
working on two but the key whatever this

1747
01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:09,040
is does come back and can pop in and out

1748
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:11,860
at points just like skinwalker runs from

1749
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:14,170
in other areas now before I let you go

1750
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:15,730
John and I do want to thank you for

1751
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:17,350
taking the time to call in tonight and

1752
01:25:22,110 --> 01:25:19,330
obviously we'll circle back and do

1753
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:22,120
another show here very soon and and and

1754
01:25:30,030 --> 01:25:26,800
take this further but much about all of

1755
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:30,040
Rendlesham has been focused on the ET

1756
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:33,820
element and and that part of it which

1757
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:35,890
which I understand why because I'm part

1758
01:25:43,709 --> 01:25:39,610
of that Jim Penniston and the time

1759
01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:43,719
travel aspect of this has always kind of

1760
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:46,270
gotten lost in in the smoke in the mist

1761
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:49,570
is this is this a time where we go back

1762
01:25:57,330 --> 01:25:55,120
and revisit Jim's testimony and and and

1763
01:26:06,240 --> 01:25:57,340
bring Jim back and start talking about

1764
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:06,250
this time-travel aspect he he's got a

1765
01:26:10,650 --> 01:26:08,110
book they were supposedly coming out the

1766
01:26:13,709 --> 01:26:10,660
second part and he's got his feelings

1767
01:26:15,390 --> 01:26:13,719
about what it is and the thing is this

1768
01:26:19,410 --> 01:26:15,400
what you and Nick Redfern talk about

1769
01:26:22,140 --> 01:26:19,420
last night okay when you see something

1770
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:22,150
like just like these pilots saw like the

1771
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:24,250
one guy said you do there's something

1772
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:26,250
it's Thrones all the fleet of them right

1773
01:26:32,850 --> 01:26:28,719
but when you see something you've never

1774
01:26:34,650 --> 01:26:32,860
seen before and you don't have any

1775
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,660
reference point that what it is what

1776
01:26:39,810 --> 01:26:36,880
it's capable of and one of the things

1777
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:39,820
was it's been it's been confirmed and

1778
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:41,530
six those helmets were out there they

1779
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:44,650
were using them on the 18th it's evolved

1780
01:26:50,490 --> 01:26:47,290
and now it's the 15 and over at 35 and

1781
01:26:52,350 --> 01:26:50,500
they can control drones and all kinds of

1782
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:52,360
swarm drones and everything else but

1783
01:26:57,020 --> 01:26:55,090
when you can't explain it you have to

1784
01:26:59,700 --> 01:26:57,030
start looking and doing research now

1785
01:27:03,030 --> 01:26:59,710
what I can say about Penniston is

1786
01:27:06,169 --> 01:27:03,040
hypnosis in 96 affected a lot of what he

1787
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:06,179
feels is possible what's going on and

1788
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,850
only the audience can go back look at

1789
01:27:12,990 --> 01:27:11,679
his testimony over the years look at his

1790
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:13,000
book and everything else to make their

1791
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:16,290
own decision what what I am saying is

1792
01:27:20,459 --> 01:27:17,440
what

1793
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:20,469
I feel as there is an energy and it's

1794
01:27:24,209 --> 01:27:22,390
something that could very well be from

1795
01:27:26,910 --> 01:27:24,219
the future based on my hypnosis and some

1796
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:26,920
other research that maybe can come back

1797
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:29,710
and forth and pop in and what he even

1798
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:31,330
said at one point which has him to talk

1799
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:32,590
about a long time was they were back

1800
01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:35,290
looking which is what my hypnosis said

1801
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,940
the same thing and there was some really

1802
01:27:41,370 --> 01:27:39,040
strange things that parallel between

1803
01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:41,380
both of our at Knossos the mine was in

1804
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:45,640
88 years of 94 95 there really opened my

1805
01:27:50,850 --> 01:27:48,130
eyes up when I saw the transcript from

1806
01:27:52,740 --> 01:27:50,860
his after mine and to what I understand

1807
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:52,750
he never saw mine you know what that

1808
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:54,489
that was my next yeah that was my next

1809
01:28:03,660 --> 01:28:00,090
and my hypnosis had been shut had been

1810
01:28:05,610 --> 01:28:03,670
completely um kept quiet in other words

1811
01:28:07,140 --> 01:28:05,620
I signed an exclusive agreement or

1812
01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:07,150
Brubeck or that it could be released

1813
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,400
without my permission and it never came

1814
01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:12,400
out it's never been other than Linda has

1815
01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:14,590
used little clips of it that are now on

1816
01:28:20,250 --> 01:28:18,790
YouTube that um that have come out on in

1817
01:28:22,140 --> 01:28:20,260
her presentations that she's done over

1818
01:28:24,060 --> 01:28:22,150
the years and one of the things is

1819
01:28:26,459 --> 01:28:24,070
pretty moving is if you see if it's

1820
01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:26,469
still up there is when the guy says look

1821
01:28:30,540 --> 01:28:28,180
at the life form or wonders you know

1822
01:28:33,810 --> 01:28:30,550
what it what is the blue light and it

1823
01:28:37,410 --> 01:28:33,820
comes back it's the life form man oh

1824
01:28:39,660 --> 01:28:37,420
this is a 1990 this was a 1998 Jerry way

1825
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:39,670
before all this stuff has been floating

1826
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:40,840
around and going on

1827
01:28:47,459 --> 01:28:43,930
you know John there's a part of me that

1828
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:47,469
that is very self-serving and and I just

1829
01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:49,260
want to keep this conversation going

1830
01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:51,580
there's another part of me that says

1831
01:28:56,250 --> 01:28:53,980
there's a whole nother show here that

1832
01:28:58,830 --> 01:28:56,260
needs to be discussed I don't know which

1833
01:29:01,439 --> 01:28:58,840
way to go what are you doing right now -

1834
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:01,449
gotta go hang out with the family or do

1835
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:09,280
you want to hang out okay because if I

1836
01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:12,730
stop this right now I'm going to have a

1837
01:29:16,290 --> 01:29:14,590
lot of angry people on Twitter that I'm

1838
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:16,300
gonna have to deal with what why don't

1839
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:17,410
we do this

1840
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:20,050
just hang on let's do one more segment

1841
01:29:25,020 --> 01:29:22,930
everybody that's on hold right now I'll

1842
01:29:27,470 --> 01:29:25,030
get to your calls and we'll do a full

1843
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:27,480
hour of phone calls

1844
01:29:33,170 --> 01:29:30,960
after after John tonight because John

1845
01:29:37,130 --> 01:29:33,180
when I come back I actually want to talk

1846
01:29:40,130 --> 01:29:37,140
about what you remember with the

1847
01:29:43,070 --> 01:29:40,140
communication in those hypnosis sessions

1848
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:43,080
before you say you can't you're going to

1849
01:29:54,500 --> 01:29:51,500
because I there's stuff that supports it

1850
01:29:56,750 --> 01:29:54,510
because let me tell you Jimmy watching

1851
01:29:58,760 --> 01:29:56,760
myself on tape afterwards it was like

1852
01:30:02,150 --> 01:29:58,770
how in the heck I don't know how you

1853
01:30:04,430 --> 01:30:02,160
real yeah you know what I'll never do it

1854
01:30:06,440 --> 01:30:04,440
I'll never do it Chuck let's take a

1855
01:30:08,930 --> 01:30:06,450
break right here this is fade to black

1856
01:30:10,820 --> 01:30:08,940
John Burroughs surprise phone call you

1857
01:30:12,890 --> 01:30:10,830
know what we're just gonna continue the

1858
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,900
conversation we will have an hour of

1859
01:30:16,430 --> 01:30:14,880
phone calls tonight though so just do

1860
01:30:18,620 --> 01:30:16,440
wait this is fade to black I'm Yours

1861
01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:18,630
Jimmy Church more with John after this

1862
01:30:31,370 --> 01:30:21,540
short break stay with us

1863
01:30:37,580 --> 01:30:34,550
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

1864
01:30:40,110 --> 01:30:37,590
you're listening to faint and black

1865
01:30:42,930 --> 01:30:40,120
always on the edge of the hottest

1866
01:30:43,710 --> 01:30:42,940
alternative talk chilly church with fade

1867
01:31:01,200 --> 01:30:43,720
to black

1868
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:01,210
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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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Network

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to me

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church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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welcome back oh man

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I'm real shiva church this is fade to

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Katy are a the planet hello to everybody

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out there listening and I know that

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everybody was expecting a fader night

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tonight so was I right open lines on

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line long but when we get the

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opportunity to speak with John Burroughs

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like this on a very important night

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we're gonna take advantage of that so it

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John again thank you for taking the time

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and I did none of this would have

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happened if I hadn't caught your private

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message to me 24 hours late that's the

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funny part about all of this now I

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wanted to ask you really quick I don't

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want to spend too much time on this but

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were you surprised about the news today

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about Project Blue Book being cancelled

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for season three well I mean the numbers

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I was watching your show tonight the

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numbers that they're putting out were

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equivalent to what you know ancient

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aliens drawers and even that you know

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the show that we talked about their

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histories producing now with louandal in

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it I mean the only thing I could think

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of is is that that the numbers weren't

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high enough to support the actors we're

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you know is ancient aliens and stuff

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isn't this knows so much labor intense

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that would be the only reason why maybe

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it's not making enough money I mean I

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just don't know I mean you'd have to

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really ask them why I mean I don't know

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yeah I I'm perplexed I I just started to

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get into my stride you know with the

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show where I started to put away the

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historical inaccuracies and just enjoy

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it as something that was fun to watch

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and I was starting to get into it and

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then the you know the end season 2 on a

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cliffhanger like that and then a month

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later to get cancelled yeah it's a bit

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surprising I mean again it's just no

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different than anything else whether

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Trump tell Tucker Carlson this summer

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you know he got great pilots but he

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believes they saw something but it's not

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from an alien type of thing and then he

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kind of does

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reverse that you know and his last thing

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when it came out since very interesting

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you know and you know it needs to be

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looking to further so what does that

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mean you know I mean what where's this

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going you know yeah yeah these are very

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interesting times for sure

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just like you dropping the bombshell in

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the last segment about you know this the

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possibility of time travelers and you

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found out through hypnosis that you may

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have actually had direct communication

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now when you say something like that and

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you've gone back in and and watched and

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reviewed the transcripts of this when

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you say communication what went down

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well when I went under it was it was

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this whole thing a strange because at

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the time I didn't know emanated was

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involved in all this other stuff and the

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different the working group behind it

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was was pretty intense with technology

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and everything else it seemed like I was

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a little suspicious being that I was a

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cop and everything else because it just

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didn't add up but at the time I didn't

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realize the heavy hitters or behind and

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someone didn't find about two years

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later but ultimately he tried to put me

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under and couldn't then he did something

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really strange it's right on tape and

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only maybe a handful people have ever

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seen this but he came and he ran his

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hand across the top of Bridge in my head

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and back across and when he did that I

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went under just like that but so it was

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easy after he did that technique

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whatever it was right I've never been

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able to explain what he did but the

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point being was that he was able to put

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me under pretty easily then but he

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couldn't it first a normal way that he

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did something else do you know about

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that you know that he on that he did and

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I went under so we started going through

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what happened and as we got to a certain

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point he kind of went off-script and

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what I mean by our script was you

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normally would want just to talk about

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what you

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number one you saw right well we got to

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the part where I met with Hall on the

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third night and hault said they were

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over us they were communicating with us

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and everything else this comes out of my

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hypnosis and he says see if you can talk

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to whatever the lights or whatever and

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all of a sudden I started talking to the

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light I started communicating real-time

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with whatever this was what how do I

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even ask a question right now John I

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don't even know where to go with this

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were you if you're communicating that

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means you are hearing something right

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why I actually changed my whole

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personality changed and and and there

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was a conversation taking place and you

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know I can be kind of argumentative and

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disagree a little bit there was things

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that he was trying to interject that

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whatever was going on was saying nope

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not possible not real not possible

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didn't happen no you're wrong and this

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isn't this this is the way it is that's

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the way it was and I've had it evaluated

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by somebody in the hypnosis field that

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was certified and hypnosis therapy and

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everything else is very reputable and

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they clearly said that they very rarely

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if ever see anything like this like what

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they saw going on was just kind of like

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01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:56,260
what how is that even possible

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did you give me it appears did you get

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any data you know what time went from

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the future who they were why were they

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here were there you know anything any

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any you know like facts ok here's what

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01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:16,090
it didn't come out how far they were

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from and all that what was interesting

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is they got really really worked up I

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01:41:24,899 --> 01:41:23,590
was able to talk about well I'll just go

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ahead and say a couple things that at

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01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:28,960
the time was a joke but they were they

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01:41:34,590 --> 01:41:32,110
had what this life form was was involved

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with Mars in the moon and you know how

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01:41:38,820 --> 01:41:36,430
that was man-in-the-moon and all the

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01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:38,830
other stuff mm-hmm well now they're

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01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:40,210
coming out with all this stuff about

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01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:43,210
Mars and the moon but it was a little

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01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:45,130
bit of detail why they were there what

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01:41:51,330 --> 01:41:49,480
they were doing and then this is a kind

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01:41:54,030 --> 01:41:51,340
of a couple of the really strange things

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01:41:57,110 --> 01:41:54,040
that happened okay one of the things

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they said was they were back looking at

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us now because they feel that what they

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are is what we were before and they've

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evolved to this and that they're looking

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at all this and then one of the things

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that was implied was and this is where

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it gets really freaky Jimmy that had to

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live with well two things one they'll be

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back for us

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all for me they said they'd be back for

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me eventually right the other thing was

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I very well could have been talking you

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know back then consciousness was not a

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thing in 88 right right okay this energy

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foam could have been me however evolved

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into the future when these and when they

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when they said they were involved with

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Mars and the moon and and there was

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information about that what were they

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talking about that were they on Mars and

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the moon like right now that's as part

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of their exploring the past or that they

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were involved with Mars in the moon in

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the future well I didn't he didn't ask a

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lot about that but it seems to be and I

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01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:13,120
haven't looked at the tape for a while

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they were implying there was a

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civilization there at least at one point

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a Mars in the past in the past yes hmm

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and it was them yes they had evolved

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whatever this was had evolved to this

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life form and like I said in the one

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clip when he says now look at the lights

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and what is it it's the life form so

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what I'm getting at is this was back in

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88 now not today's with all the concert

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and stuff and all this other stuff this

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was a guy did in the airforce didn't

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know what to do how to deal with what

2136
01:44:00,720 --> 01:43:59,080
was going on was not a reader didn't

2137
01:44:02,850 --> 01:44:00,730
have the internet back then and all that

2138
01:44:05,790 --> 01:44:02,860
other stuff and all this craziness comes

2139
01:44:07,170 --> 01:44:05,800
out now it's a time it was like wow it's

2140
01:44:09,060 --> 01:44:07,180
just like so many things that have

2141
01:44:11,010 --> 01:44:09,070
happened but then you start researching

2142
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:11,020
and things start evolving and then you

2143
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:13,930
start to be able to paint a picture and

2144
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:16,210
a pattern of documents and research and

2145
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:18,250
what was going on you know what I mean I

2146
01:44:27,060 --> 01:44:23,320
do I do and you you have to ask the

2147
01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:27,070
question why you it sounds like this

2148
01:44:34,020 --> 01:44:30,280
blue this this energy being let's just

2149
01:44:38,420 --> 01:44:34,030
go go with that it's blue light but this

2150
01:44:41,070 --> 01:44:38,430
this energy being specifically said that

2151
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:41,080
either they were there for you or they

2152
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:44,520
were going to come back is it suggesting

2153
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:48,250
right was that because John was that

2154
01:44:54,030 --> 01:44:51,370
because you're meeting of them in

2155
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:54,040
Rendlesham that night was by chance that

2156
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:56,650
was by accident or they knew that you

2157
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,440
were going to be there in the forest

2158
01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:00,880
that night because they were from the

2159
01:45:07,230 --> 01:45:05,590
future another back to finish what you

2160
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:07,240
know what I mean and that they weren't

2161
01:45:11,490 --> 01:45:09,010
yeah I know I know and unfortunately a

2162
01:45:13,980 --> 01:45:11,500
lot of that wasn't covered to even

2163
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:13,990
include what I what I could try to

2164
01:45:19,050 --> 01:45:16,570
remember what I got close to it what I

2165
01:45:22,650 --> 01:45:19,060
really saw because I got into that and

2166
01:45:24,420 --> 01:45:22,660
eventually it was like I lost interest

2167
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:24,430
whatever it was lost interest and they

2168
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:27,040
had Moses guy and it just shut down and

2169
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:31,360
then so when Damone how saw the tape was

2170
01:45:36,210 --> 01:45:34,480
blown away by it and he wanted to do

2171
01:45:37,710 --> 01:45:36,220
some follow-up stuff because she felt

2172
01:45:40,050 --> 01:45:37,720
there was a lot of stuff miss you know

2173
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:40,060
you know right point is she always looks

2174
01:45:45,870 --> 01:45:41,770
and stuffs militiamen asses but have

2175
01:45:48,420 --> 01:45:45,880
done like oh we got a she got involved

2176
01:45:50,940 --> 01:45:48,430
with somebody in Arizona that worked

2177
01:45:53,610 --> 01:45:50,950
that got there was out through Stanford

2178
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:53,620
University she got this person's name

2179
01:45:59,640 --> 01:45:56,560
and I went under hypnosis with this

2180
01:46:01,740 --> 01:45:59,650
particular person now something was

2181
01:46:03,900 --> 01:46:01,750
blocking me at that point other than a

2182
01:46:07,710 --> 01:46:03,910
very strange things and she's released a

2183
01:46:10,170 --> 01:46:07,720
couple clips at one point and one of the

2184
01:46:11,010 --> 01:46:10,180
clips it shows me almost levitating off

2185
01:46:13,710 --> 01:46:11,020
the couch

2186
01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:13,720
and she wanted me to go down this tunnel

2187
01:46:18,900 --> 01:46:16,030
that appeared and contact the blue

2188
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:18,910
lights and and I go into it I can't and

2189
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:21,010
I'm shaking my whole body shaking and

2190
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:22,920
I'm listing almost like off the couch

2191
01:46:29,580 --> 01:46:27,130
and so something was blocking me from

2192
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:29,590
going any further on what it was and

2193
01:46:39,180 --> 01:46:35,520
everything else why you that's never

2194
01:46:41,130 --> 01:46:39,190
okay I don't know I don't know but

2195
01:46:42,540 --> 01:46:41,140
according to like why have all these

2196
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:42,550
different people showed up in my life

2197
01:46:47,970 --> 01:46:45,250
that they can prove why the DNA testing

2198
01:46:49,710 --> 01:46:47,980
why does it show some anomalies that are

2199
01:46:52,230 --> 01:46:49,720
just mind-blowing but I have the proof

2200
01:46:55,110 --> 01:46:52,240
that they're there why had these people

2201
01:46:57,540 --> 01:46:55,120
showed an interest in me um you know why

2202
01:47:00,810 --> 01:46:57,550
did they put me under hypnosis why why

2203
01:47:02,370 --> 01:47:00,820
are they interested in all this I I can

2204
01:47:05,310 --> 01:47:02,380
never get a straight answer from them I

2205
01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:05,320
mean it's just like with kid green he's

2206
01:47:08,940 --> 01:47:07,510
very quiet and everything and one of the

2207
01:47:10,650 --> 01:47:08,950
things are getting example of kid green

2208
01:47:12,150 --> 01:47:10,660
they'll say he's now under the

2209
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:12,160
assumption that the majority of what

2210
01:47:14,580 --> 01:47:13,930
people are seeing is from here right

2211
01:47:16,440 --> 01:47:14,590
mm-hmm

2212
01:47:18,780 --> 01:47:16,450
but he won't elaborate and he leaves it

2213
01:47:20,970 --> 01:47:18,790
open he doesn't elaborate how we got the

2214
01:47:23,010 --> 01:47:20,980
technology and everything else he's just

2215
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:23,020
saying what you are seeing is our own

2216
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:25,570
belt belt or technology but where did we

2217
01:47:31,950 --> 01:47:28,090
learn and glean and get this technology

2218
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:31,960
from what I find interesting about this

2219
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:37,330
is that kit green seems to have been in

2220
01:47:45,780 --> 01:47:41,730
the middle of the craziest elements of

2221
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:45,790
everything not just apology right it's

2222
01:47:53,340 --> 01:47:49,930
it's it's sorry it's it's it's crash

2223
01:47:57,780 --> 01:47:53,350
retrievals it's the Wilson document the

2224
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:57,790
alien autopsy film the now you know TTS

2225
01:48:07,170 --> 01:48:02,080
a John Burroughs and and Rendlesham KITT

2226
01:48:10,380 --> 01:48:07,180
green seems to be everywhere where these

2227
01:48:14,670 --> 01:48:10,390
stories are the most intriguing and I I

2228
01:48:15,570 --> 01:48:14,680
can't I can't quite figure that out well

2229
01:48:18,060 --> 01:48:15,580
I can try

2230
01:48:20,610 --> 01:48:18,070
showing that to you sure his job and he

2231
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:20,620
got he got an award for something that

2232
01:48:24,270 --> 01:48:23,050
is it's been somewhat explained but he

2233
01:48:26,850 --> 01:48:24,280
got more than one award from the

2234
01:48:28,770 --> 01:48:26,860
presidential from the president PFC is

2235
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:28,780
to improve any brief presidents on this

2236
01:48:33,930 --> 01:48:31,930
he worked at the rear desk but he ought

2237
01:48:37,820 --> 01:48:33,940
well he was involved with that little

2238
01:48:40,230 --> 01:48:37,830
part of it but his main job was Soviet

2239
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:40,240
technology and what they were working on

2240
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,490
and how they were developing and and

2241
01:48:46,830 --> 01:48:44,800
that timeframe that he was working with

2242
01:48:48,660 --> 01:48:46,840
the CIA before he left them he came a

2243
01:48:50,610 --> 01:48:48,670
contractor for more than one

2244
01:48:54,300 --> 01:48:50,620
intelligence agency it was like all

2245
01:48:55,860 --> 01:48:54,310
three of them um he um he was studying

2246
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:55,870
and involved with all their technology

2247
01:49:01,710 --> 01:48:57,780
and they were working on my control

2248
01:49:03,810 --> 01:49:01,720
MKULTRA um you know you know remote

2249
01:49:06,660 --> 01:49:03,820
viewing all this stuff so he was

2250
01:49:12,350 --> 01:49:06,670
involved in all this stuff from way back

2251
01:49:16,770 --> 01:49:12,360
and what I do all under the guise of a

2252
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:16,780
pathologist in Chicago right I just do

2253
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:19,840
autopsies North Detroit or Detroit yeah

2254
01:49:26,460 --> 01:49:24,250
yeah yeah okay Detroit people don't know

2255
01:49:29,010 --> 01:49:26,470
this and I didn't even know this and

2256
01:49:32,370 --> 01:49:29,020
this is another whole wacky story but

2257
01:49:35,670 --> 01:49:32,380
these college universities are all being

2258
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:35,680
used for different research and stuff on

2259
01:49:41,670 --> 01:49:38,170
technology and you know some of this

2260
01:49:43,260 --> 01:49:41,680
other stuff and his university if you go

2261
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:43,270
back and look at those documents

2262
01:49:47,490 --> 01:49:45,370
released and that was involved with

2263
01:49:49,710 --> 01:49:47,500
about the different stuff that remember

2264
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:49,720
now here's another weird thing what

2265
01:49:54,780 --> 01:49:51,910
happens but Kane gets involved in my

2266
01:49:58,020 --> 01:49:54,790
case everything goes down when

2267
01:49:59,760 --> 01:49:58,030
everything settles who do they go to cut

2268
01:50:02,100 --> 01:49:59,770
off on those guys get it go that

2269
01:50:05,070 --> 01:50:02,110
McCain's committee for technology money

2270
01:50:08,270 --> 01:50:05,080
and briefings cleaning dia papers that

2271
01:50:11,610 --> 01:50:08,280
are giving them a cane bingo

2272
01:50:13,980 --> 01:50:11,620
what what happens these guys are all

2273
01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:13,990
working eyes causing universities what's

2274
01:50:19,470 --> 01:50:15,940
his face on who's the guy that we're

2275
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:19,480
close to put off he's another physicist

2276
01:50:24,630 --> 01:50:21,730
I can't take his name out he's all over

2277
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:24,640
TST TSA and stuff you know there are

2278
01:50:29,490 --> 01:50:27,370
Davis Erik Davis yes he now works at the

2279
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:29,500
college university right

2280
01:50:36,030 --> 01:50:33,520
yes he does and they hide under this

2281
01:50:39,570 --> 01:50:36,040
technology and his research in these

2282
01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:39,580
universities now and and I'm just gonna

2283
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:42,760
put this out there everybody I don't

2284
01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:45,250
know how many guests John that I have

2285
01:50:49,620 --> 01:50:47,800
had on this show extraordinary guest

2286
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:49,630
with with things to say

2287
01:50:55,170 --> 01:50:53,050
well it's throughout the interview and

2288
01:50:58,110 --> 01:50:55,180
then suddenly go and then well you know

2289
01:51:02,700 --> 01:50:58,120
then of course how put off and kicked

2290
01:51:06,540 --> 01:51:02,710
green contacted me it's like I hear it

2291
01:51:08,570 --> 01:51:06,550
over and over again and and when it

2292
01:51:11,730 --> 01:51:08,580
comes you know back around full circle

2293
01:51:14,910 --> 01:51:11,740
Rendlesham one of the most important

2294
01:51:17,730 --> 01:51:14,920
events in in history and yourself

2295
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:17,740
included specifically here we have how

2296
01:51:24,180 --> 01:51:21,130
put off and kid green in the middle of

2297
01:51:31,740 --> 01:51:24,190
the Rendlesham story does that surprise

2298
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:31,750
you well the whole thing ever just when

2299
01:51:34,890 --> 01:51:33,010
you think it's safe to come out of the

2300
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:34,900
water something where else where it

2301
01:51:39,660 --> 01:51:37,570
happens but one of the things another

2302
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:39,670
thing would put off that most people

2303
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:42,610
don't know about was he was in dia he

2304
01:51:47,190 --> 01:51:45,370
worked on with SSRI and he was involved

2305
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:47,200
in all this thing of technology so not

2306
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:50,890
only was he in you know worked with with

2307
01:51:55,140 --> 01:51:52,690
you know remote dealing but he was

2308
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:55,150
involved in all this and one of the

2309
01:51:58,970 --> 01:51:57,280
things that Jimmy I don't know if I

2310
01:52:02,280 --> 01:51:58,980
messages before but we've uncovered

2311
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,290
proof with documents that the White

2312
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:04,560
House actually was involved in our event

2313
01:52:11,190 --> 01:52:08,410
named Rendlesham and it was involved

2314
01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:11,200
because they were using are you where

2315
01:52:15,870 --> 01:52:13,300
emotion is where they were working on

2316
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:15,880
the death ray out there at baozi and

2317
01:52:20,010 --> 01:52:17,920
they discovered radar and they were and

2318
01:52:21,150 --> 01:52:20,020
all the infancy and radars and all these

2319
01:52:22,620 --> 01:52:21,160
death rays and all the sort of

2320
01:52:23,820 --> 01:52:22,630
technology and lasers and everything

2321
01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:23,830
were developed right there

2322
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:26,800
that's right and what what they did was

2323
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:28,930
they took the original radar stuff and

2324
01:52:32,010 --> 01:52:30,970
there's documents to support this they

2325
01:52:34,650 --> 01:52:32,020
modified it

2326
01:52:37,380 --> 01:52:34,660
they ran cables which was right next to

2327
01:52:40,530 --> 01:52:37,390
the arm lighthouse and they were using

2328
01:52:43,260 --> 01:52:40,540
this technology to be me in frequencies

2329
01:52:45,150 --> 01:52:43,270
inland towards our location

2330
01:52:47,670 --> 01:52:45,160
and we haven't that we have this stuff

2331
01:52:49,380 --> 01:52:47,680
and I've had a lot of exchanges where

2332
01:52:51,540 --> 01:52:49,390
technology would put off over the years

2333
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:51,550
and he admitted he was involved not

2334
01:52:54,810 --> 01:52:53,410
necessarily Rendell somebody admitted

2335
01:52:57,060 --> 01:52:54,820
that he was involved in this technology

2336
01:52:59,790 --> 01:52:57,070
and no other was now it caused issues

2337
01:53:01,440 --> 01:52:59,800
you know and in effect the people and

2338
01:53:03,780 --> 01:53:01,450
can affect things and was being involved

2339
01:53:07,590 --> 01:53:03,790
with the military is it is there

2340
01:53:10,350 --> 01:53:07,600
something further that we need to take

2341
01:53:13,740 --> 01:53:10,360
into consideration when we talk about

2342
01:53:16,590 --> 01:53:13,750
kid green and and put off and others

2343
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:16,600
there's a key element here and that is

2344
01:53:24,210 --> 01:53:18,370
the c.i.a

2345
01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:24,220
I dia too but specifically the Central

2346
01:53:30,990 --> 01:53:28,450
Intelligence Agency because of you know

2347
01:53:34,410 --> 01:53:31,000
and going all the way back over to today

2348
01:53:37,050 --> 01:53:34,420
with at ETS a and put off and the CIA

2349
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:37,060
and and who is staffing that that that

2350
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:40,330
is one of the consistent when we break

2351
01:53:44,580 --> 01:53:41,770
all of this down and we look for a

2352
01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:44,590
common denominator we start to see this

2353
01:53:51,870 --> 01:53:48,640
play over and over again don't we yeah

2354
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:51,880
it is awfully to and in different ways

2355
01:53:57,720 --> 01:53:54,370
is in the middle of all this and is

2356
01:54:00,120 --> 01:53:57,730
research and stuff you know before I let

2357
01:54:02,780 --> 01:54:00,130
you go again John thank you so much man

2358
01:54:05,130 --> 01:54:02,790
what it what what an enlightening

2359
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:05,140
extraordinary evening I didn't expect

2360
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:07,330
any of this tonight and one of my

2361
01:54:10,770 --> 01:54:08,770
favorite things to do was to learn

2362
01:54:12,660 --> 01:54:10,780
something and while you brought it

2363
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:12,670
tonight it just blew by in a

2364
01:54:17,340 --> 01:54:14,650
conversation right we're just having a

2365
01:54:20,190 --> 01:54:17,350
conversation but Jacques Vallee said one

2366
01:54:22,650 --> 01:54:20,200
thing that we've all pressed for him to

2367
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:22,660
say over the years but he's avoided it

2368
01:54:28,350 --> 01:54:26,050
and he said this I'm paraphrasing but

2369
01:54:33,150 --> 01:54:28,360
this is pretty much a direct quote he

2370
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:33,160
said of course we have retrieved flying

2371
01:54:39,780 --> 01:54:36,730
saucers and craft of course this is fact

2372
01:54:42,830 --> 01:54:39,790
but and then he went on but he actually

2373
01:54:46,050 --> 01:54:42,840
said that sentence and he's never

2374
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:46,060
crossed that line in the past it's

2375
01:54:49,230 --> 01:54:46,930
always been

2376
01:54:52,620 --> 01:54:49,240
interdimensional there's another element

2377
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:52,630
to this there's physical things that

2378
01:54:56,630 --> 01:54:54,370
happen to human beings and what is

2379
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,640
causing but he's never said anything

2380
01:55:02,120 --> 01:54:58,800
like that which goes back to what you

2381
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:02,130
just said when everything is you know

2382
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:04,110
you look at who was involved in all of

2383
01:55:07,070 --> 01:55:04,650
this

2384
01:55:10,490 --> 01:55:07,080
Jacques Vallee is right there too he is

2385
01:55:12,290 --> 01:55:10,500
certainly in the know isn't he right

2386
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:12,300
and unfortunately Edgar Mitchell is gone

2387
01:55:19,790 --> 01:55:15,930
but he really was neck deep in all this

2388
01:55:21,500 --> 01:55:19,800
and one of the things that right and

2389
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:21,510
then we're gonna close out but I I got

2390
01:55:25,700 --> 01:55:23,760
to talk to him before he passed and I

2391
01:55:27,740 --> 01:55:25,710
pressed him towards the end of the

2392
01:55:31,940 --> 01:55:27,750
conversation about condign and

2393
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:31,950
everything else and you know I do have

2394
01:55:40,850 --> 01:55:35,970
the tape but what happened was he said

2395
01:55:44,060 --> 01:55:40,860
that condign was it was a major part of

2396
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:44,070
what we're dealing with to include

2397
01:55:49,250 --> 01:55:46,710
whether you ap is and that there's no

2398
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:49,260
doubt we what we encountered in Reynolds

2399
01:55:55,940 --> 01:55:52,290
home was you ap based and that what a

2400
01:55:59,180 --> 01:55:55,950
lot of what's going on is and minoo is

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01:56:02,180 --> 01:55:59,190
related to now he would not go further

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01:56:03,890 --> 01:56:02,190
or whether your AP was and again that is

2403
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:03,900
the hardest sticking point to get to

2404
01:56:11,690 --> 01:56:08,730
what exactly is a you ap John you are

2405
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:11,700
the reason why we are going to get to

2406
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:14,130
the bottom of all of this and and thank

2407
01:56:18,830 --> 01:56:16,890
you my friend thank you so much and my

2408
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:18,840
best to the family I want you to enjoy

2409
01:56:24,590 --> 01:56:22,770
your weekend and and whatever lockdown

2410
01:56:25,970 --> 01:56:24,600
means for you and your family that at

2411
01:56:27,770 --> 01:56:25,980
least you're making the best of it and

2412
01:56:30,710 --> 01:56:27,780
everybody is safe and then we'll

2413
01:56:32,210 --> 01:56:30,720
continue out and with a very special

2414
01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:32,220
show in the future thank you so much

2415
01:56:39,380 --> 01:56:36,960
John you're the best and that's John

2416
01:56:44,540 --> 01:56:39,390
Burroughs and I do want to remind

2417
01:56:46,940 --> 01:56:44,550
everybody that today getting you know

2418
01:56:49,580 --> 01:56:46,950
into the office and working today I get

2419
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:49,590
this message from John from yesterday I

2420
01:56:53,630 --> 01:56:51,930
missed it but it would have meant that

2421
01:56:56,630 --> 01:56:53,640
last night John would have been on with

2422
01:56:58,850 --> 01:56:56,640
us for five minutes instead of 90 which

2423
01:57:01,580 --> 01:56:58,860
is what we just did today John Burroughs

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01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:01,590
thank you so much this is fade to black

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01:57:08,940 --> 01:57:05,970
okay it's Thursday which means it is

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01:57:11,550 --> 01:57:08,950
Fator night and that is open line

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01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:11,560
all night long so with that I am going

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01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:13,300
to take a quick break and when I come

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01:57:20,490 --> 01:57:15,280
back we'll get to all of your phone

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calls seven four seven two two eight two

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zero five one seven four seven two two

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eight two zero five one that's fade to

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black how many of you church I'll be

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from the body the less time that way

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did you know that when you're on the

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02:00:16,260 --> 02:00:13,810
road with limited data or Wi-Fi

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02:00:20,939 --> 02:00:18,400
minute a fade to black by just calling

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02:00:36,810 --> 02:00:34,090
eight two you can listen to me Jimmy

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02:00:43,650 --> 02:00:36,820
Church on any phone anytime anywhere

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02:00:47,700 --> 02:00:45,350
[Music]

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02:00:52,450 --> 02:00:47,710
[Applause]

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02:00:55,050 --> 02:00:52,460
you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

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02:00:57,669 --> 02:00:55,060
really love ponies I'm serious I

2513
02:01:01,930 --> 02:00:57,679
couldn't stay sane without Pony mr.

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02:01:06,799 --> 02:01:01,940
Brooks I fade to black because you never

2515
02:01:10,799 --> 02:01:08,669
this is fade to black

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02:01:14,490 --> 02:01:10,809
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:14,500
radio network and kgr a the global radio

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02:01:31,110 --> 02:01:16,890
alliance

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02:01:34,780 --> 02:01:32,920
welcome back fade to black

2520
02:01:39,490 --> 02:01:34,790
Thursday night Fay tonight I am your

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02:01:43,540 --> 02:01:39,500
host Jimmy Church Wow okay

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02:01:46,690 --> 02:01:43,550
it's open lines seven four seven two two

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02:01:48,490 --> 02:01:46,700
eight two zero five one and I'm just

2524
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:48,500
gonna say it all right now

2525
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:51,650
and this is the tweet I'm about to send

2526
02:01:55,990 --> 02:01:54,410
out I can't believe the conversation

2527
02:02:04,480 --> 02:01:56,000
that just went down with John Burroughs

2528
02:02:07,660 --> 02:02:04,490
you are all spoiled and you are you know

2529
02:02:12,340 --> 02:02:07,670
it what a conversation thank you so much

2530
02:02:15,730 --> 02:02:12,350
John and you've given us so much to

2531
02:02:19,090 --> 02:02:15,740
think about and the the phone lines are

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02:02:23,500 --> 02:02:19,100
open seven four seven two two eight two

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02:02:27,370 --> 02:02:23,510
zero five one and I'm excited I'm happy

2534
02:02:29,970 --> 02:02:27,380
for all of you man if I was if I was a

2535
02:02:32,890 --> 02:02:29,980
fait or not right now listening to that

2536
02:02:35,140 --> 02:02:32,900
IV like this this is this is what it's

2537
02:02:37,810 --> 02:02:35,150
about this is what radio is about this

2538
02:02:40,630 --> 02:02:37,820
is what disclosure is about this is the

2539
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:40,640
conversations that need to be had and

2540
02:02:46,780 --> 02:02:44,030
that was with John Burroughs one of the

2541
02:02:50,170 --> 02:02:46,790
most important people right now when it

2542
02:02:52,780 --> 02:02:50,180
comes to figuring out the UFO et

2543
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:52,790
anything phenomena question that is

2544
02:02:58,710 --> 02:02:55,490
going on right now on this planet that

2545
02:03:02,110 --> 02:02:58,720
to me there are two well the rest of the

2546
02:03:05,890 --> 02:03:02,120
Rendlesham witnesses for sure but but

2547
02:03:09,670 --> 02:03:05,900
John Burroughs is is so important right

2548
02:03:11,590 --> 02:03:09,680
there with Travis Walton and when you

2549
02:03:15,250 --> 02:03:11,600
think about the documentation and the

2550
02:03:18,370 --> 02:03:15,260
witnesses behind what went down in

2551
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:18,380
snowflake Arizona with with Travis and

2552
02:03:24,340 --> 02:03:21,920
the logging crew that day and the

2553
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:24,350
witnesses and the testimony and evidence

2554
02:03:31,210 --> 02:03:27,530
that we have from Rendlesham and John

2555
02:03:33,730 --> 02:03:31,220
Burroughs is here right now discussing

2556
02:03:36,340 --> 02:03:33,740
it it's very special you need to that

2557
02:03:38,530 --> 02:03:36,350
you really need to be thankful and if

2558
02:03:40,900 --> 02:03:38,540
you get a chance to reach out to John do

2559
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:40,910
just that and say John thank you so much

2560
02:03:47,150 --> 02:03:43,290
man all right with that

2561
02:03:48,140 --> 02:03:47,160
let's go to the phones let's see who was

2562
02:03:50,150 --> 02:03:48,150
up first

2563
02:03:53,690 --> 02:03:50,160
hi you're live on fade to black who's

2564
02:03:59,330 --> 02:03:53,700
calling patron a theory on how are you

2565
02:04:01,520 --> 02:03:59,340
hi Sara and yeah what do you think about

2566
02:04:03,650 --> 02:04:01,530
that yeah I'm doing great

2567
02:04:06,850 --> 02:04:03,660
can you imagine you know coming off a

2568
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:06,860
conversation like that how are you doing

2569
02:04:11,210 --> 02:04:09,690
well I'm a little bit funny because I

2570
02:04:15,140 --> 02:04:11,220
originally was calling in is how you a

2571
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:15,150
real go story but then I mean how can I

2572
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:18,930
ignore that conversation yeah so okay

2573
02:04:23,510 --> 02:04:20,970
with you and I she might go story could

2574
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:23,520
probably tie into what you guys were

2575
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:24,960
talking about it was what I want to do

2576
02:04:30,980 --> 02:04:29,040
that but I think that these

2577
02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:30,990
conversations do need if he had and I

2578
02:04:34,580 --> 02:04:32,730
love the fact that I'm taking all the

2579
02:04:40,130 --> 02:04:34,590
different information and you can do it

2580
02:04:42,170 --> 02:04:40,140
and integrate it trying to got I kind of

2581
02:04:44,510 --> 02:04:42,180
start to check out when I hear different

2582
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:44,520
versions of the story where you people

2583
02:04:48,860 --> 02:04:46,170
are kind of trying to prove one another

2584
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:48,870
along the way they can't consider

2585
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:51,890
certain possibilities or consider that

2586
02:04:59,090 --> 02:04:55,890
every perspective is actually the key to

2587
02:05:00,440 --> 02:04:59,100
putting the bigger picture because I

2588
02:05:02,780 --> 02:05:00,450
wasn't working with the bottom of all

2589
02:05:04,220 --> 02:05:02,790
this I think well maybe get into the

2590
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:04,230
barn a lot of this is finding out that

2591
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:06,750
will be prank you know being able to

2592
02:05:11,570 --> 02:05:08,880
consider all this with the cheery Ozzie

2593
02:05:14,150 --> 02:05:11,580
I think is really cool I don't know all

2594
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:14,160
the details of the Rendlesham event

2595
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:16,320
because I start to get a certain booth

2596
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:18,330
track of that because I always look at

2597
02:05:24,500 --> 02:05:20,370
something different like what is this

2598
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:24,510
all really mean if I feel every

2599
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:26,400
significant event that hasn't ever been

2600
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:28,770
discussed on the show there's basically

2601
02:05:35,570 --> 02:05:32,610
a training exercise and there are let's

2602
02:05:39,290 --> 02:05:35,580
just say good entities involved bad

2603
02:05:40,940 --> 02:05:39,300
entities involved and you know higher

2604
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:40,950
possibilities that can be born when we

2605
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:43,890
work with both of those so we when

2606
02:05:49,220 --> 02:05:47,610
people are talking about certain you

2607
02:05:53,290 --> 02:05:49,230
know possibilities or identities of

2608
02:05:55,730 --> 02:05:53,300
beings that were present I feel all that

2609
02:05:56,819 --> 02:05:55,740
so with all of that but would have to be

2610
02:06:01,829 --> 02:05:56,829
just one thing

2611
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:01,839
it certainly doesn't it does not you

2612
02:06:08,189 --> 02:06:05,609
know and it always comes down to for me

2613
02:06:12,869 --> 02:06:08,199
and I'm being serious about this area

2614
02:06:17,759 --> 02:06:12,879
and I swear on every bone in my body

2615
02:06:19,259 --> 02:06:17,769
that the more that is revealed not only

2616
02:06:24,539 --> 02:06:19,269
on the show but through my own research

2617
02:06:29,209 --> 02:06:24,549
that I do is that everything keeps going

2618
02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:29,219
back to the same things and points that

2619
02:06:35,459 --> 02:06:32,079
physicists are talking about they're

2620
02:06:39,329 --> 02:06:35,469
talking about the exact same things that

2621
02:06:41,459 --> 02:06:39,339
we are we related all to trying to

2622
02:06:45,029 --> 02:06:41,469
figure out the paranormal of the

2623
02:06:47,579 --> 02:06:45,039
supernatural and and ETS and you APs and

2624
02:06:50,459 --> 02:06:47,589
UFOs and Bigfoot and ghosts and life

2625
02:06:53,959 --> 02:06:50,469
after death and nd ease all of that all

2626
02:06:58,079 --> 02:06:53,969
of those things right physicists are

2627
02:07:04,319 --> 02:06:58,089
absolutely 100% talking about the same

2628
02:07:06,779 --> 02:07:04,329
research I keep going back to it because

2629
02:07:11,250 --> 02:07:06,789
everything that I hear John say or

2630
02:07:18,959 --> 02:07:11,260
others right I hear physicists talk

2631
02:07:21,689 --> 02:07:18,969
about I wish I wish I was a physicist to

2632
02:07:23,009 --> 02:07:21,699
be able to put it into a language that

2633
02:07:24,479 --> 02:07:23,019
many people would understand the

2634
02:07:26,219 --> 02:07:24,489
comments that we don't want happen like

2635
02:07:28,379 --> 02:07:26,229
those are the references when you can

2636
02:07:30,449 --> 02:07:28,389
get two people in the same room from

2637
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:30,459
totally different areas of expertise and

2638
02:07:38,029 --> 02:07:31,599
we can come up with a higher language

2639
02:07:40,379 --> 02:07:38,039
right sharing information right yes and

2640
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:40,389
I think that's where we are at today

2641
02:07:46,009 --> 02:07:43,689
that's why I'm so excited I can't wait

2642
02:07:49,169 --> 02:07:46,019
you know for tomorrow

2643
02:07:52,379 --> 02:07:49,179
everything is just coming out so fast

2644
02:07:55,469 --> 02:07:52,389
and and I think the data and the

2645
02:07:58,529 --> 02:07:55,479
algorithms and the research that not

2646
02:08:01,129 --> 02:07:58,539
only when we talk about physicists it's

2647
02:08:03,989 --> 02:08:01,139
all of that entire part of science it's

2648
02:08:05,530 --> 02:08:03,999
astrophysicists it's astrobiologist it's

2649
02:08:08,860 --> 02:08:05,540
astronomers

2650
02:08:13,090 --> 02:08:08,870
and physicists and and and chemists in

2651
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:13,100
chemistry all of this is is related all

2652
02:08:17,710 --> 02:08:15,290
of it is related in the science side of

2653
02:08:20,110 --> 02:08:17,720
things but they're trying to figure out

2654
02:08:22,090 --> 02:08:20,120
and make sense of things and that's

2655
02:08:24,730 --> 02:08:22,100
where Einstein left off he wanted a

2656
02:08:27,070 --> 02:08:24,740
theory of everything right yeah that

2657
02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:27,080
would give us all of the answers well

2658
02:08:32,140 --> 02:08:29,690
that's that science is continuing to

2659
02:08:34,810 --> 02:08:32,150
push forward the more that they push

2660
02:08:37,780 --> 02:08:34,820
forward it keeps pointing them into

2661
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:37,790
another fantastical direction that they

2662
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:40,730
may be a little bit afraid of but the

2663
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:42,890
science is pushing them in that

2664
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:46,010
direction and it's the same thing with

2665
02:08:51,310 --> 02:08:49,280
us and our experiences we're seeing them

2666
02:08:54,430 --> 02:08:51,320
over trying to get these answers and it

2667
02:08:59,500 --> 02:08:54,440
keeps pushing back towards science it

2668
02:09:01,930 --> 02:08:59,510
does coding the experience to creating

2669
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:01,940
the language or at least being able to

2670
02:09:05,550 --> 02:09:03,890
broadcast or putting writing the

2671
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:05,560
language that's underneath all of it all

2672
02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:07,520
that's why I think it's really

2673
02:09:10,900 --> 02:09:09,410
interesting it's somebody who's kind of

2674
02:09:12,490 --> 02:09:10,910
real and they don't have that scientific

2675
02:09:13,570 --> 02:09:12,500
background to be able to share an

2676
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:13,580
experience with somebody who's more

2677
02:09:16,330 --> 02:09:15,290
scientific and open-minded they can be

2678
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:16,340
like well wait a minute

2679
02:09:23,290 --> 02:09:18,410
like when John was talking about talking

2680
02:09:25,150 --> 02:09:23,300
to the lights link right I can totally

2681
02:09:26,950 --> 02:09:25,160
relate that and I know when I've spoken

2682
02:09:29,140 --> 02:09:26,960
to other people who initially couldn't

2683
02:09:31,030 --> 02:09:29,150
once I start like really trying to find

2684
02:09:33,670 --> 02:09:31,040
the language around the experience I'm

2685
02:09:36,700 --> 02:09:33,680
gonna play a session where scientific

2686
02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:36,710
terms really wow read and suddenly

2687
02:09:40,690 --> 02:09:38,930
they're having these experiences and it

2688
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:40,700
can be explained by a more open-minded

2689
02:09:46,410 --> 02:09:43,370
off the streets me out there's all of

2690
02:09:48,910 --> 02:09:46,420
this obsession with the technology

2691
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:48,920
looking at how to create the technology

2692
02:09:54,250 --> 02:09:50,330
we're not going anywhere that we want to

2693
02:09:59,290 --> 02:09:54,260
go yeah and it's so funny when when I

2694
02:10:01,930 --> 02:09:59,300
drink out of my church of whoo mug right

2695
02:10:04,420 --> 02:10:01,940
and people want to talk about whoo-whoo

2696
02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:04,430
and the whoo and I hear it I hear it all

2697
02:10:08,850 --> 02:10:06,890
the time right a hero it up you want to

2698
02:10:12,370 --> 02:10:08,860
hear real whoo-whoo

2699
02:10:14,110 --> 02:10:12,380
listen to a physicist you really want to

2700
02:10:17,260 --> 02:10:14,120
hear real whoo-whoo

2701
02:10:18,540 --> 02:10:17,270
coming from a scientific mind to listen

2702
02:10:20,860 --> 02:10:18,550
to a quantity

2703
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:20,870
theoretical physicists of physicists

2704
02:10:25,780 --> 02:10:23,360
talk about the realities of things that

2705
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:25,790
they are dealing with today the whoo

2706
02:10:31,479 --> 02:10:27,650
that we talk about on this show isn't

2707
02:10:35,740 --> 02:10:31,489
even close right and they are saying hey

2708
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:35,750
hey this is where science is taking us

2709
02:10:44,979 --> 02:10:43,760
today and to say the real whoo out there

2710
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:44,989
the real whoo-whoo

2711
02:10:52,959 --> 02:10:50,810
physicist telling you about

2712
02:10:55,450 --> 02:10:52,969
you know multiverse multi worlds and

2713
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:55,460
parallel worlds and and multi dimensions

2714
02:11:00,189 --> 02:10:58,400
and and there are infinite versions of

2715
02:11:03,150 --> 02:11:00,199
you out there having conversations that

2716
02:11:07,290 --> 02:11:03,160
you know nothing about digest that

2717
02:11:11,200 --> 02:11:09,010
because they're open to all

2718
02:11:15,189 --> 02:11:11,210
possibilities they are developing that

2719
02:11:17,500 --> 02:11:15,199
technology to terrible super crazy but I

2720
02:11:19,209 --> 02:11:17,510
bet if somebody were to explain their

2721
02:11:22,810 --> 02:11:19,219
experience of traveling and how they got

2722
02:11:24,459 --> 02:11:22,820
there so the first would be like whoa I

2723
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:24,469
can break that down and make it make

2724
02:11:29,260 --> 02:11:26,330
sense but if we're trying to just like

2725
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:29,270
replicate technology that's just part of

2726
02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:30,650
like the training exercise

2727
02:11:38,830 --> 02:11:33,050
don't perhaps our future version so like

2728
02:11:40,419 --> 02:11:38,840
get us back on track you know let's just

2729
02:11:45,820 --> 02:11:40,429
get the technology and make the weapons

2730
02:11:47,229 --> 02:11:45,830
eating a dead horse well you know there

2731
02:11:49,090 --> 02:11:47,239
are a lot of minds out there that will

2732
02:11:51,220 --> 02:11:49,100
always go in that direction and that's

2733
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:51,230
interesting tech how can we kill

2734
02:11:57,520 --> 02:11:55,760
somebody with it Sarah Anne thank you so

2735
02:12:04,689 --> 02:11:57,530
much what a great phone call on a fader

2736
02:12:09,060 --> 02:12:04,699
night thank you I want to hear it

2737
02:12:12,399 --> 02:12:09,070
go back Lee temple right Sarah and

2738
02:12:17,410 --> 02:12:12,409
kicking the show off and coming in

2739
02:12:21,820 --> 02:12:17,420
strong and with that let's see where we

2740
02:12:24,310 --> 02:12:21,830
are here I'm just going to go and order

2741
02:12:26,590 --> 02:12:24,320
everybody with it with the calls that

2742
02:12:31,300 --> 02:12:26,600
came in so here we go hi you live on

2743
02:12:39,859 --> 02:12:38,149
hey JT how are you man I'm good man what

2744
02:12:42,919 --> 02:12:39,869
you think you know what you think of

2745
02:12:44,660 --> 02:12:42,929
that conversation huh I missed it

2746
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:44,670
because when I'm on hold I gotta shut

2747
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:47,250
down my YouTube beats I'm not to listen

2748
02:12:51,250 --> 02:12:49,650
to it on the replay but I was thinking

2749
02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:51,260
about what a great week it was with

2750
02:12:56,660 --> 02:12:54,690
whitley strieber and john yeaaah

2751
02:12:59,209 --> 02:12:56,670
Nick Redfern I was trying to figure out

2752
02:13:01,580 --> 02:12:59,219
who I put in the put in the cleanup spot

2753
02:13:03,800 --> 02:13:01,590
there you know well John triggers a

2754
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:03,810
great leadoff hitters man John burrows I

2755
02:13:07,580 --> 02:13:04,800
can't wait to listen to that

2756
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:07,590
conversation John burrows 90 minutes on

2757
02:13:16,729 --> 02:13:14,730
fader night surprise call yeah you're

2758
02:13:19,070 --> 02:13:16,739
gonna have to go back and digest that

2759
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:19,080
one and while I've got you here with us

2760
02:13:21,890 --> 02:13:20,880
JT and thank you for taking the time to

2761
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:21,900
call him when you're out there on the

2762
02:13:28,939 --> 02:13:24,810
open road driving your truck a trailer

2763
02:13:33,879 --> 02:13:28,949
is last night with Nick Redfern when you

2764
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:33,889
hear something like that put out there

2765
02:13:40,939 --> 02:13:38,010
you know that it was a grand experiment

2766
02:13:42,770 --> 02:13:40,949
by the British military and that was

2767
02:13:46,399 --> 02:13:42,780
going on in the forest that night and

2768
02:13:49,550 --> 02:13:46,409
the United States Air Force may have

2769
02:13:52,100 --> 02:13:49,560
gotten in the way now that's a pretty

2770
02:13:54,530 --> 02:13:52,110
pretty extraordinary book to put out

2771
02:13:56,990 --> 02:13:54,540
there well John Burroughs just came on

2772
02:14:00,200 --> 02:13:57,000
the show and said hey you know parts of

2773
02:14:04,010 --> 02:14:00,210
that may be correct that Nick Redfern

2774
02:14:08,270 --> 02:14:04,020
may be on to something and there you go

2775
02:14:10,160 --> 02:14:08,280
now he's he's what you know what when

2776
02:14:13,310 --> 02:14:10,170
you hear something like that JT you've

2777
02:14:16,820 --> 02:14:13,320
been following this this show and and

2778
02:14:19,879 --> 02:14:16,830
the UFO sightings for a long time what

2779
02:14:22,250 --> 02:14:19,889
goes through your mind well I'm a

2780
02:14:23,959 --> 02:14:22,260
healthy skeptic anyways so now kind of

2781
02:14:26,660 --> 02:14:23,969
like being a help you get pick on the

2782
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:26,670
other side like you know I need more I

2783
02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:28,800
need more proof I need more I got a seat

2784
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:32,250
you know and in and what you're saying I

2785
02:14:38,540 --> 02:14:33,690
got I got to hear what John said about

2786
02:14:43,030 --> 02:14:38,550
it but you know I got it I'm helping

2787
02:14:49,480 --> 02:14:45,640
oh yeah but that's the way it has to be

2788
02:14:51,820 --> 02:14:49,490
and that's my advice to everybody and

2789
02:14:53,740 --> 02:14:51,830
that includes myself man I try to follow

2790
02:14:58,120 --> 02:14:53,750
that

2791
02:15:00,420 --> 02:14:58,130
look I'm just like everybody I enjoy the

2792
02:15:03,160 --> 02:15:00,430
subject I enjoy hearing from

2793
02:15:05,860 --> 02:15:03,170
experiencers what researchers have

2794
02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:05,870
uncovered I like a good documentary like

2795
02:15:11,950 --> 02:15:09,410
everybody does I love watching science

2796
02:15:16,330 --> 02:15:11,960
fiction films I've seen things that I

2797
02:15:21,340 --> 02:15:16,340
have seen I am fully engaged fully right

2798
02:15:24,910 --> 02:15:21,350
that being said I am definitely always

2799
02:15:27,970 --> 02:15:24,920
on the side of skeptic you have to be if

2800
02:15:31,870 --> 02:15:27,980
you go all in on this subject if you go

2801
02:15:34,660 --> 02:15:31,880
all in if you believe everything you're

2802
02:15:37,660 --> 02:15:34,670
going into a danger zone and in the end

2803
02:15:40,630 --> 02:15:37,670
you're yeah yeah before you got to take

2804
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:40,640
that step back you gotta step back you

2805
02:15:46,290 --> 02:15:42,410
want it to be true it only takes one

2806
02:15:50,380 --> 02:15:46,300
only take one ghost one UFO one Bigfoot

2807
02:15:53,650 --> 02:15:50,390
you know you guys take that step back we

2808
02:15:55,450 --> 02:15:53,660
have to JT you have to so you're out

2809
02:15:59,380 --> 02:15:55,460
there on the open road tonight and what

2810
02:16:02,350 --> 02:15:59,390
are you hauling cream cheese no this

2811
02:16:06,700 --> 02:16:02,360
starts now oh yes yeah I really like why

2812
02:16:10,990 --> 02:16:06,710
can't I guess do I Lily like my work

2813
02:16:13,720 --> 02:16:11,000
ethic so they request me to be on there

2814
02:16:18,460 --> 02:16:13,730
now all the time now well you know as a

2815
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:18,470
trucker well as a trucker before I let

2816
02:16:22,930 --> 02:16:20,000
you go and I'm being serious about this

2817
02:16:26,050 --> 02:16:22,940
as a trucker would you rather have a

2818
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:26,060
different route of surprise every day or

2819
02:16:31,060 --> 02:16:29,450
would you rather just have a route where

2820
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:31,070
you know where you're going in the

2821
02:16:35,950 --> 02:16:33,200
morning where you're gonna deliver to

2822
02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:35,960
and at a consistent day which way'd

2823
02:16:42,879 --> 02:16:39,170
would you rather have it in the younger

2824
02:16:45,490 --> 02:16:42,889
days it was just go anyway - wind blows

2825
02:16:46,810 --> 02:16:45,500
by has one of my favorite songs by

2826
02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:46,820
Southern Pacific

2827
02:16:50,850 --> 02:16:49,280
you know whichever way the winds do

2828
02:16:54,310 --> 02:16:50,860
that's where I wanted to go you know

2829
02:16:55,930 --> 02:16:54,320
nowadays you know little bit older 61

2830
02:16:59,020 --> 02:16:55,940
now Evan

2831
02:16:59,560 --> 02:16:59,030
that route that way to go now there you

2832
02:17:02,170 --> 02:16:59,570
go

2833
02:17:03,820 --> 02:17:02,180
JT thank you for everything man and all

2834
02:17:06,190 --> 02:17:03,830
of the truckers out there that are

2835
02:17:07,240 --> 02:17:06,200
listening to my voice you know how

2836
02:17:11,230 --> 02:17:07,250
serious I am

2837
02:17:13,740 --> 02:17:11,240
when I say thank you and I mean it J Tia

2838
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:13,750
enjoy your weekend my friend thank you

2839
02:17:19,420 --> 02:17:17,210
if that hard worked up this weekend I'll

2840
02:17:27,250 --> 02:17:19,430
do it and the next time you call in I'll

2841
02:17:35,470 --> 02:17:31,240
Gobekli Tepe that's JT from Indy thank

2842
02:17:38,650 --> 02:17:35,480
you so much JT and I am so serious every

2843
02:17:41,170 --> 02:17:38,660
single night when I say all everybody

2844
02:17:44,140 --> 02:17:41,180
the men and the women out there handling

2845
02:17:48,010 --> 02:17:44,150
the logistics of this country and making

2846
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:48,020
sure that we are fed and clothed and we

2847
02:17:52,990 --> 02:17:50,570
have everything that we need every

2848
02:17:55,930 --> 02:17:53,000
single day it is because of you

2849
02:17:57,820 --> 02:17:55,940
okay so again thank you from all of us

2850
02:17:59,890 --> 02:17:57,830
here at fade to black and the audience

2851
02:18:02,770 --> 02:17:59,900
we don't get a chance to say it enough

2852
02:18:05,940 --> 02:18:02,780
but you're the reason why this country

2853
02:18:09,010 --> 02:18:05,950
moves forward so again thank you and

2854
02:18:10,780 --> 02:18:09,020
let's stay on the phones let's go right

2855
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:10,790
back to and hi you're live on fade to

2856
02:18:17,081 --> 02:18:13,930
black who's calling this is Joe from

2857
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:17,091
Virginia hi Joe from Virginia how are

2858
02:18:23,890 --> 02:18:22,010
you tonight I am fantastic it's Thursday

2859
02:18:26,320 --> 02:18:23,900
night Fator night and I just spent 90

2860
02:18:30,331 --> 02:18:26,330
minutes with John Burroughs what did you

2861
02:18:35,350 --> 02:18:30,341
think about that conversation well I

2862
02:18:40,960 --> 02:18:35,360
thought it was pretty good and that's it

2863
02:18:44,140 --> 02:18:40,970
just pretty good well I just wanted to

2864
02:18:46,180 --> 02:18:44,150
bring up a couple of things that y'all

2865
02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:46,190
didn't bring up last night when you were

2866
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:54,080
talking with Nick yes what I wanted to

2867
02:19:01,150 --> 02:18:57,200
find out is I just wanted to make a

2868
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:01,160
couple of points all right when they

2869
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:04,370
went back you know after the first

2870
02:19:10,850 --> 02:19:07,920
encounter the

2871
02:19:15,709 --> 02:19:10,860
there were three indentations in the

2872
02:19:17,780 --> 02:19:15,719
ground that's right all right no that

2873
02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:17,790
wasn't held up we're right oh yeah we

2874
02:19:23,150 --> 02:19:20,880
talked about it last night of course yes

2875
02:19:25,940 --> 02:19:23,160
and what what about the broken tree

2876
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:25,950
limbs absolutely those are this physical

2877
02:19:29,900 --> 02:19:28,050
trace evidence and and if we're talking

2878
02:19:31,129 --> 02:19:29,910
about holograms I brought this up with

2879
02:19:32,509 --> 02:19:31,139
Nick last night if we're talking about

2880
02:19:35,810 --> 02:19:32,519
Holograms some kind of holographic

2881
02:19:37,730 --> 02:19:35,820
technology that is a projection then how

2882
02:19:39,770 --> 02:19:37,740
did those three indentations get in the

2883
02:19:42,860 --> 02:19:39,780
ground that not only did they go back

2884
02:19:45,679 --> 02:19:42,870
and get castings of and photographs of

2885
02:19:49,010 --> 02:19:45,689
and they went back with radiation

2886
02:19:52,130 --> 02:19:49,020
detectors and Geiger counters to look at

2887
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:52,140
and get EMF PM measurements of the area

2888
02:19:57,350 --> 02:19:54,570
they did all of that and they also for

2889
02:20:00,830 --> 02:19:57,360
photographed and documented the damages

2890
02:20:02,360 --> 02:20:00,840
to the trees that can't happen if it was

2891
02:20:04,910 --> 02:20:02,370
you know something that was projected

2892
02:20:07,219 --> 02:20:04,920
which would mean and this is what I said

2893
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:07,229
to Nick last night that this is part of

2894
02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:10,080
an elaborate hoax that was put on by the

2895
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:12,330
British military and they would have had

2896
02:20:18,020 --> 02:20:15,210
to have gone in and caused this damage

2897
02:20:21,890 --> 02:20:18,030
and made the imprints and created a

2898
02:20:24,050 --> 02:20:21,900
model of this triangular black craft in

2899
02:20:26,600 --> 02:20:24,060
the woods and somehow got that in there

2900
02:20:28,310 --> 02:20:26,610
and out without anybody seeing so yeah I

2901
02:20:31,820 --> 02:20:28,320
brought all of this up last night Joe

2902
02:20:35,060 --> 02:20:31,830
and Nick realizes this these are these

2903
02:20:37,850 --> 02:20:35,070
are issues with this being some

2904
02:20:40,510 --> 02:20:37,860
elaborate experiment that was put on

2905
02:20:42,830 --> 02:20:40,520
that you can't answer with some of the

2906
02:20:46,429 --> 02:20:42,840
eyewitness testimony and the physical

2907
02:20:49,790 --> 02:20:46,439
evidence that is there that's right and

2908
02:20:52,040 --> 02:20:49,800
and if I remember correctly didn't they

2909
02:20:56,450 --> 02:20:52,050
run the geiger counters over the tree

2910
02:21:00,410 --> 02:20:56,460
damaged and found radiation traces on

2911
02:21:04,330 --> 02:21:00,420
that above-normal I believe so I I do

2912
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:04,340
believe that is the case yes and I know

2913
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:08,640
they found traces higher than normal in

2914
02:21:16,700 --> 02:21:13,770
the indentations yeah I I do believe if

2915
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:16,710
my memory is correct and don't depend on

2916
02:21:23,001 --> 02:21:18,570
my memory Joe or we

2917
02:21:27,171 --> 02:21:23,011
lose but but I do believe that that is

2918
02:21:32,001 --> 02:21:27,181
the case that halt went back went back

2919
02:21:34,310 --> 02:21:32,011
to the area I don't know halt was there

2920
02:21:36,950 --> 02:21:34,320
the day after if he loved the team or if

2921
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:36,960
somebody else did but they went back

2922
02:21:41,360 --> 02:21:39,840
they saw the damage to the trees they

2923
02:21:43,551 --> 02:21:41,370
took their measurements they took

2924
02:21:45,740 --> 02:21:43,561
photographs they looked at the

2925
02:21:47,660 --> 02:21:45,750
indentations I think they might have

2926
02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:47,670
made castings I could be wrong about

2927
02:21:53,541 --> 02:21:50,610
that but I think that they did and all

2928
02:21:56,780 --> 02:21:53,551
of it was referenced and measured for

2929
02:21:58,881 --> 02:21:56,790
its distance so I think all of that is

2930
02:22:04,011 --> 02:21:58,891
there and it's it's been documented for

2931
02:22:07,070 --> 02:22:04,021
sure how does that come into play if it

2932
02:22:09,440 --> 02:22:07,080
was Holograms the only way is that they

2933
02:22:13,961 --> 02:22:09,450
went in and and set it up they set up

2934
02:22:18,261 --> 02:22:13,971
the scene right yeah yes exactly exactly

2935
02:22:20,541 --> 02:22:18,271
and forget the other guy that were

2936
02:22:24,850 --> 02:22:20,551
without the first night with John

2937
02:22:29,091 --> 02:22:24,860
Burroughs right Adrian bass tenza and

2938
02:22:31,580 --> 02:22:29,101
Jim Penniston yeah Jim penderson is the

2939
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:31,590
one I was thinking of all right when he

2940
02:22:38,930 --> 02:22:36,960
wrote down all the binary code yes which

2941
02:22:44,091 --> 02:22:38,940
happened later that didn't happen

2942
02:22:46,580 --> 02:22:44,101
immediately then now Jim has reached out

2943
02:22:48,051 --> 02:22:46,590
to me I'm gonna let you know Joe Jim has

2944
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:48,061
reached out to me about coming on the

2945
02:22:54,171 --> 02:22:51,450
show so we're gonna get to him on also

2946
02:22:56,990 --> 02:22:54,181
next week we're gonna have nick pope on

2947
02:22:59,770 --> 02:22:57,000
the show and and some other things so

2948
02:23:06,291 --> 02:22:59,780
right yeah it's gonna be great but I

2949
02:23:07,850 --> 02:23:06,301
believe that Jim said that later not

2950
02:23:09,921 --> 02:23:07,860
that didn't happen that weekend it

2951
02:23:14,810 --> 02:23:09,931
didn't happen at that instant that later

2952
02:23:19,640 --> 02:23:14,820
he was on a bus or something like that

2953
02:23:21,770 --> 02:23:19,650
when the download of the binary came to

2954
02:23:24,110 --> 02:23:21,780
him he had a notebook with him he

2955
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:24,120
flipped it open and wrote out the binary

2956
02:23:28,671 --> 02:23:26,880
code okay but that didn't and it didn't

2957
02:23:29,870 --> 02:23:28,681
happen that weekend it happened later I

2958
02:23:31,801 --> 02:23:29,880
don't know if there's a couple of years

2959
02:23:35,400 --> 02:23:31,811
later if it was a week later that

2960
02:23:36,961 --> 02:23:35,410
that part yeah it just doesn't come to

2961
02:23:39,991 --> 02:23:36,971
me right now somebody will pop it up

2962
02:23:42,801 --> 02:23:40,001
here in Twitter for me but that's where

2963
02:23:46,501 --> 02:23:42,811
that went down and then it was later

2964
02:23:49,501 --> 02:23:46,511
decoded and those messages were there

2965
02:23:51,541 --> 02:23:49,511
the part about the part about that for

2966
02:23:53,610 --> 02:23:51,551
me Joe that I'm sorry for interrupting

2967
02:23:56,850 --> 02:23:53,620
you but the part for me that is I that

2968
02:24:01,320 --> 02:23:56,860
is most important is that Jim Penniston

2969
02:24:06,991 --> 02:24:01,330
has said on this show and and on other

2970
02:24:11,940 --> 02:24:07,001
broadcast that he was told by them that

2971
02:24:14,581 --> 02:24:11,950
they were us from the future and he has

2972
02:24:19,081 --> 02:24:14,591
not swayed from that he has been very

2973
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:19,091
clear it's not to be misinterpreted or

2974
02:24:27,781 --> 02:24:22,450
you know reading between the lines know

2975
02:24:32,251 --> 02:24:27,791
that they were us from the future now

2976
02:24:36,661 --> 02:24:32,261
got when we go to what John Burroughs

2977
02:24:40,470 --> 02:24:36,671
said tonight that is a very interesting

2978
02:24:42,781 --> 02:24:40,480
connection between their stories and one

2979
02:24:44,881 --> 02:24:42,791
other thing of notes I want to be very

2980
02:24:48,860 --> 02:24:44,891
clear here and I tried to make this

2981
02:24:52,470 --> 02:24:48,870
clear last night that if you look at

2982
02:24:56,551 --> 02:24:52,480
everybody's individual accounts from

2983
02:25:00,121 --> 02:24:56,561
Rendlesham the names that we have been

2984
02:25:03,560 --> 02:25:00,131
familiar with and others that you know

2985
02:25:07,980 --> 02:25:03,570
have not been in the public everybody's

2986
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:07,990
version of the events is a little bit

2987
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:12,240
different now you know it's it's not all

2988
02:25:18,150 --> 02:25:15,490
exactly the same and I find that part

2989
02:25:20,400 --> 02:25:18,160
very very interesting and does that play

2990
02:25:22,921 --> 02:25:20,410
into what Nick Redfern was saying last

2991
02:25:25,461 --> 02:25:22,931
night if there were drugs involved would

2992
02:25:28,531 --> 02:25:25,471
you and I Joe if you and I took drugs

2993
02:25:30,570 --> 02:25:28,541
does that mean together and we go to a

2994
02:25:33,930 --> 02:25:30,580
rock concert or whatever we fall asleep

2995
02:25:37,140 --> 02:25:33,940
we have our and have dreams are we

2996
02:25:39,390 --> 02:25:37,150
having the same hallucinations are we

2997
02:25:40,921 --> 02:25:39,400
having the same experience no we've got

2998
02:25:44,490 --> 02:25:40,931
two different brains in two different

2999
02:25:47,150 --> 02:25:44,500
Minds so would that indicate

3000
02:25:51,360 --> 02:25:47,160
what nick is writing about in his book

3001
02:25:54,300 --> 02:25:51,370
why everybody's versions of what they

3002
02:25:57,570 --> 02:25:54,310
witnessed are different but the other

3003
02:26:00,480 --> 02:25:57,580
part about it and this is important is

3004
02:26:03,510 --> 02:26:00,490
if there is a car accident on a street

3005
02:26:08,010 --> 02:26:03,520
corner and you have 10 witnesses and the

3006
02:26:10,530 --> 02:26:08,020
police go and get the witness statements

3007
02:26:13,560 --> 02:26:10,540
they know going into it that they are

3008
02:26:19,710 --> 02:26:13,570
about to get 10 different versions of

3009
02:26:21,180 --> 02:26:19,720
the accident I got in a car accident I

3010
02:26:24,780 --> 02:26:21,190
got in a car accident on the freeway

3011
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:24,790
many many many many years ago and I was

3012
02:26:29,100 --> 02:26:26,650
at the front end of this accident get

3013
02:26:32,280 --> 02:26:29,110
injured or anything but I witnessed

3014
02:26:34,920 --> 02:26:32,290
everything and it was crazy

3015
02:26:36,300 --> 02:26:34,930
there was like Rita would probably

3016
02:26:38,790 --> 02:26:36,310
remember this but I'm gonna say that

3017
02:26:39,660 --> 02:26:38,800
there were 20 cars involved something

3018
02:26:42,480 --> 02:26:39,670
like that Wow

3019
02:26:45,750 --> 02:26:42,490
it was crazy and I pulled over to the

3020
02:26:47,940 --> 02:26:45,760
side of the road and eventually was on

3021
02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:47,950
the freeway the Highway Patrol

3022
02:26:54,840 --> 02:26:51,370
gets there and they interview everybody

3023
02:26:56,400 --> 02:26:54,850
a few days later and I was at the front

3024
02:27:00,420 --> 02:26:56,410
of the accident by the way I saw

3025
02:27:03,510 --> 02:27:00,430
everything go down right and I got cite

3026
02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:03,520
my headlight got broken off by some car

3027
02:27:07,860 --> 02:27:05,290
you know no big deal but I pulled over a

3028
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:07,870
couple of days later the Highway Patrol

3029
02:27:14,010 --> 02:27:09,610
calls me back and says you know mr.

3030
02:27:19,080 --> 02:27:14,020
Church I'm having an issue here I've got

3031
02:27:27,450 --> 02:27:19,090
20 drivers 20 stories and none of them

3032
02:27:29,400 --> 02:27:27,460
match I can only tell you what I saw he

3033
02:27:30,600 --> 02:27:29,410
goes it's absolutely extraordinary I

3034
02:27:32,340 --> 02:27:30,610
don't know what we're gonna do with this

3035
02:27:34,830 --> 02:27:32,350
I think we're just gonna throw our arms

3036
02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:34,840
up in the air and just call it a day I

3037
02:27:38,730 --> 02:27:36,850
said hey I'm not changing my story man

3038
02:27:41,610 --> 02:27:38,740
you know what I saw is what I saw and

3039
02:27:45,770 --> 02:27:41,620
that's just the way it is Joe it's just

3040
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:45,780
the way that it is well when I did

3041
02:27:56,610 --> 02:27:50,850
decoded that also that binary code

3042
02:27:58,110 --> 02:27:56,620
didn't that lead to a point out in the

3043
02:28:03,580 --> 02:27:58,120
ocean of

3044
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:03,590
Ireland I have I have no idea I'm

3045
02:28:14,290 --> 02:28:08,570
reading uh the the translation here

3046
02:28:18,940 --> 02:28:14,300
explore exploration of humanity 80 105

3047
02:28:22,390 --> 02:28:18,950
209 north oath Oh 3 1 3 west continuous

3048
02:28:25,090 --> 02:28:22,400
for planetary advance fourth coordinate

3049
02:28:26,020 --> 02:28:25,100
continuous before then I'm looking at

3050
02:28:28,480 --> 02:28:26,030
all of these

3051
02:28:29,830 --> 02:28:28,490
I just hiccup in the in the microphone

3052
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:29,840
by the way that's what that was

3053
02:28:35,261 --> 02:28:32,720
eyes of your eyes there are a bunch of

3054
02:28:39,310 --> 02:28:35,271
coordinates here there's one two three

3055
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:39,320
four five six seven eight so there you

3056
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:42,410
go and it says origin here 80 100 I

3057
02:28:47,980 --> 02:28:44,810
haven't punched in these coordinates I'm

3058
02:28:50,020 --> 02:28:47,990
sure that others have in the past if

3059
02:28:54,190 --> 02:28:50,030
anybody knows where these coordinates

3060
02:28:59,230 --> 02:28:54,200
are leading to let's see Belize Arizona

3061
02:29:03,370 --> 02:28:59,240
Egypt Peru China and Apollo in knack

3062
02:29:09,720 --> 02:29:03,380
sews whatever that means and also Brazil

3063
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:14,560
somewhere hey Joe I've only got ten

3064
02:29:29,410 --> 02:29:22,880
seconds okay well violet that was in

3065
02:29:33,580 --> 02:29:29,420
mythology to the Irish hmm oh you're

3066
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:33,590
talking about hi Brazil yeah hi Brazil

3067
02:29:39,190 --> 02:29:35,930
and maybe that's what this says here it

3068
02:29:40,810 --> 02:29:39,200
says I Brazil instead of hi Brazil well

3069
02:29:44,310 --> 02:29:40,820
there you go thank you for the phone

3070
02:29:47,261 --> 02:29:44,320
call enjoy your weekend and gobekli tepe

3071
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:47,271
go back that's what I'm talking about

3072
02:29:54,250 --> 02:29:51,290
that is Joe in Virginia this is fade to

3073
02:29:56,050 --> 02:29:54,260
black I am your host Jimmy Church we're

3074
02:29:58,780 --> 02:29:56,060
gonna take a quick break right here

3075
02:30:01,420 --> 02:29:58,790
it's Fator night it's open lines all

3076
02:30:03,761 --> 02:30:01,430
night long I've got lots of calls on

3077
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:03,771
hold and if you are there stay right

3078
02:30:07,660 --> 02:30:05,690
there but I will get to everybody after

3079
02:30:09,011 --> 02:30:07,670
this short break I promise all right

3080
02:30:09,650 --> 02:30:09,021
that means I'm going to cut a lot of

3081
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:09,660
peope

3082
02:30:13,850 --> 02:30:13,050
I like that sometimes stay with me I'll

3083
02:30:32,229 --> 02:30:13,860
be right back

3084
02:30:35,449 --> 02:30:32,239
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3085
02:30:40,639 --> 02:30:35,459
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02:30:43,880 --> 02:30:40,649
Church on Jimmy Church radio calm this

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this is KJ CR Jimmy search radio jockey

3151
02:34:07,939 --> 02:33:53,800
ah

3152
02:34:12,719 --> 02:34:10,170
welcome back fade to black Thursday

3153
02:34:15,290 --> 02:34:12,729
night fainter nights little different

3154
02:34:18,359 --> 02:34:15,300
tonight wasn't it John Burroughs came in

3155
02:34:21,239 --> 02:34:18,369
90 minutes of amazing conversation

3156
02:34:24,599 --> 02:34:21,249
talking about Nick Redferns new book the

3157
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:24,609
Rendlesham forest conspiracy and I knew

3158
02:34:28,500 --> 02:34:25,810
that the phones were gonna heat up

3159
02:34:30,540 --> 02:34:28,510
tonight and I expected that and I want

3160
02:34:32,699 --> 02:34:30,550
to thank everybody for sticking in there

3161
02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:32,709
and staying on hold and let's just keep

3162
02:34:36,590 --> 02:34:34,270
it going hi you're live on fade to black

3163
02:34:38,219 --> 02:34:36,600
who's calling

3164
02:34:47,130 --> 02:34:38,229
you're live

3165
02:34:50,159 --> 02:34:47,140
topic I feel like I I spent that you

3166
02:34:52,739 --> 02:34:50,169
have jordan maxwell phone number and

3167
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:52,749
he's a national treasure and i was

3168
02:34:58,189 --> 02:34:55,050
thinking you maybe could give him a call

3169
02:35:01,050 --> 02:34:58,199
could just make sure he's all right and

3170
02:35:02,580 --> 02:35:01,060
let us know afterwards you want me to

3171
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:02,590
call him right I'm gonna call him right

3172
02:35:12,359 --> 02:35:09,989
is there something out there that's

3173
02:35:15,960 --> 02:35:12,369
indicating that there's a reason why we

3174
02:35:21,059 --> 02:35:15,970
should be concerned he's a 79 year old

3175
02:35:25,559 --> 02:35:21,069
man yep he's in the target zone miss

3176
02:35:29,179 --> 02:35:25,569
covert 19 thing and I live in a zip code

3177
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:29,189
which I will not disclose that has code

3178
02:35:39,420 --> 02:35:35,520
19 numbers only on the rise and I would

3179
02:35:47,849 --> 02:35:39,430
say that any virus is scared of Jordan

3180
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:47,859
Maxwell how's that okay now I can reach

3181
02:35:52,830 --> 02:35:49,930
out to Jordan I will certainly do that

3182
02:35:56,040 --> 02:35:52,840
and I'll see what I can report back to

3183
02:35:58,679 --> 02:35:56,050
everybody on Monday how's that I would

3184
02:36:03,029 --> 02:35:58,689
love that and your shows great I'll

3185
02:36:03,809 --> 02:36:03,039
listen every day and I'm not afraid or

3186
02:36:08,250 --> 02:36:03,819
not yet

3187
02:36:10,439 --> 02:36:08,260
that's finances you don't you don't have

3188
02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:10,449
to have finances to be a fade or not you

3189
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:12,970
have to just call into this show and say

3190
02:36:18,929 --> 02:36:15,369
fate or not so there you go all right

3191
02:36:20,980 --> 02:36:18,939
well go back go back Lee tapi you have a

3192
02:36:23,910 --> 02:36:20,990
great night

3193
02:36:25,930 --> 02:36:23,920
a great one thank you thank you and

3194
02:36:29,230 --> 02:36:25,940
that's a great phone call right there

3195
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:29,240
you don't have to know as a matter of

3196
02:36:34,511 --> 02:36:31,610
fact for anybody that's listening out

3197
02:36:36,430 --> 02:36:34,521
there you can sign up to become an

3198
02:36:38,410 --> 02:36:36,440
official fader nya - we have a whole

3199
02:36:41,650 --> 02:36:38,420
free version right there where you could

3200
02:36:45,461 --> 02:36:41,660
just go and do it and we set that up

3201
02:36:50,140 --> 02:36:45,471
just for you and oh I could have given

3202
02:36:53,830 --> 02:36:50,150
her a free account if you are listening

3203
02:36:57,940 --> 02:36:53,840
right now I didn't get your name right

3204
02:37:00,551 --> 02:36:57,950
me Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com okay

3205
02:37:03,850 --> 02:37:00,561
and I think I've gotten an email from

3206
02:37:06,730 --> 02:37:03,860
her before and she knows what I'm

3207
02:37:09,131 --> 02:37:06,740
talking about so she can go and just

3208
02:37:12,551 --> 02:37:09,141
write me back and I will set you up with

3209
02:37:15,430 --> 02:37:12,561
a fade to black membership see that's

3210
02:37:16,930 --> 02:37:15,440
how we do it here on fade to black scum

3211
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:16,940
bag to the phones hi you're live on fade

3212
02:37:22,060 --> 02:37:20,000
to black who's calling this is David

3213
02:37:25,211 --> 02:37:22,070
Christopher Jimmy hey Dave how I missed

3214
02:37:28,060 --> 02:37:25,221
her fur how are you hey not bad not bad

3215
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:28,070
I think thank you a couple of tweets in

3216
02:37:36,480 --> 02:37:32,000
tasks regarding me Jason quit when you

3217
02:37:39,820 --> 02:37:36,490
had him on the show I think that was a

3218
02:37:42,220 --> 02:37:39,830
about two weeks ago okay I think last

3219
02:37:45,160 --> 02:37:42,230
week so but anyway that's not what I'm

3220
02:37:48,280 --> 02:37:45,170
want to talk to to you about tonight

3221
02:37:49,540 --> 02:37:48,290
tonight I wanted to discuss and by the

3222
02:37:53,171 --> 02:37:49,550
way the first-time caller longtime

3223
02:37:55,350 --> 02:37:53,181
listener yeah I can't wait to hear you

3224
02:37:59,440 --> 02:37:55,360
say gobekli tepe

3225
02:38:02,711 --> 02:37:59,450
okay well we'll save that for the end so

3226
02:38:06,250 --> 02:38:02,721
but I wanted to just go over the the

3227
02:38:08,980 --> 02:38:06,260
Mars launching the NASA launching the

3228
02:38:13,030 --> 02:38:08,990
Mars helicopter yeah yeah yeah yeah and

3229
02:38:17,110 --> 02:38:13,040
that that whole deal now it's crazy that

3230
02:38:20,530 --> 02:38:17,120
people think that okay then launching

3231
02:38:24,910 --> 02:38:20,540
just one single helicopter like that all

3232
02:38:27,610 --> 02:38:24,920
it is that BS you know that that's going

3233
02:38:30,700 --> 02:38:27,620
to be a smoke and mirrors and I think I

3234
02:38:32,770 --> 02:38:30,710
put that on my Twitter feed as well what

3235
02:38:35,570 --> 02:38:32,780
it really is in my opinion okay and I'm

3236
02:38:39,741 --> 02:38:35,580
just speaking for myself

3237
02:38:42,081 --> 02:38:39,751
the it's smoke and mirrors and they

3238
02:38:44,871 --> 02:38:42,091
probably got like ten other helicopters

3239
02:38:47,511 --> 02:38:44,881
like exploring all these ancient ruins

3240
02:38:51,320 --> 02:38:47,521
that are already there this is something

3241
02:38:53,720 --> 02:38:51,330
I believe that actually exists which is

3242
02:38:55,911 --> 02:38:53,730
why there's so much communication

3243
02:38:57,951 --> 02:38:55,921
problems when they have these probes go

3244
02:39:00,020 --> 02:38:57,961
to Mars and then magically they die you

3245
02:39:01,581 --> 02:39:00,030
know like you were saying they're

3246
02:39:03,470 --> 02:39:01,591
exploring like the middle of nowhere

3247
02:39:05,961 --> 02:39:03,480
like a desert right like there's nothing

3248
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:05,971
there why don't you go to like the you

3249
02:39:11,951 --> 02:39:08,160
know the polls where there is water and

3250
02:39:14,451 --> 02:39:11,961
stuff like that so I just I'm just

3251
02:39:17,720 --> 02:39:14,461
sharing my analysis of that whole

3252
02:39:20,890 --> 02:39:17,730
situation so you're I think you kind of

3253
02:39:23,930 --> 02:39:20,900
share my vision of frustration then oh

3254
02:39:26,961 --> 02:39:23,940
yeah absolutely absolutely because I

3255
02:39:30,110 --> 02:39:26,971
think that it's a disservice to people

3256
02:39:32,900 --> 02:39:30,120
in general I mean taxpayers especially

3257
02:39:37,461 --> 02:39:32,910
because we're paying money for them to

3258
02:39:38,871 --> 02:39:37,471
to explore our solar system and the

3259
02:39:43,520 --> 02:39:38,881
results that we're getting is like

3260
02:39:44,871 --> 02:39:43,530
secrets and lies you know David that's

3261
02:39:48,261 --> 02:39:44,881
what I've been on about and there's

3262
02:39:50,541 --> 02:39:48,271
another part to this too is when and

3263
02:39:53,121 --> 02:39:50,551
this is where I hate to always go

3264
02:39:57,291 --> 02:39:53,131
conspiracy right to go just full-on have

3265
02:39:59,930 --> 02:39:57,301
tin foil hat but when NASA it's part of

3266
02:40:02,900 --> 02:39:59,940
the game right and so when NASA says

3267
02:40:06,261 --> 02:40:02,910
well this is just a demo helicopter and

3268
02:40:08,060 --> 02:40:06,271
there's no instruments on board I see

3269
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:08,070
that and then I go well of course

3270
02:40:13,970 --> 02:40:11,280
there's instruments on board you've

3271
02:40:16,310 --> 02:40:13,980
always got to take that view and that's

3272
02:40:18,890 --> 02:40:16,320
the frustrating part I don't think that

3273
02:40:22,100 --> 02:40:18,900
they've ever been upfront with us I

3274
02:40:24,350 --> 02:40:22,110
appreciate the work I appreciate the

3275
02:40:29,780 --> 02:40:24,360
efforts of getting things to Mars and

3276
02:40:31,280 --> 02:40:29,790
Saturn and Titan flybys and and and the

3277
02:40:33,591 --> 02:40:31,290
Pluto stuff last year was just

3278
02:40:36,860 --> 02:40:33,601
absolutely crazy all of that stuff is

3279
02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:36,870
just great I appreciate it but there's a

3280
02:40:48,320 --> 02:40:42,570
thing called ice water ice on Mars let's

3281
02:40:50,420 --> 02:40:48,330
go there don't you want to see this

3282
02:40:53,630 --> 02:40:50,430
snow on Mars don't you want to see that

3283
02:40:56,720 --> 02:40:53,640
for yourself absolutely but you know

3284
02:40:58,400 --> 02:40:56,730
like I said they they have an agenda

3285
02:41:00,980 --> 02:40:58,410
they already know what's there

3286
02:41:02,360 --> 02:41:00,990
they have known for the past what 20

3287
02:41:04,280 --> 02:41:02,370
years since they've been sending probes

3288
02:41:07,761 --> 02:41:04,290
out there I think so I there's so much

3289
02:41:10,940 --> 02:41:07,771
secrecy behind everything so so yeah

3290
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:10,950
it's uh but yeah the this a single

3291
02:41:16,970 --> 02:41:14,010
helicopter with no cameras no no HD

3292
02:41:19,520 --> 02:41:16,980
camera come on man and check this out

3293
02:41:22,940 --> 02:41:19,530
check this I I tried to make my point

3294
02:41:27,710 --> 02:41:22,950
very clear David and that is this the

3295
02:41:29,960 --> 02:41:27,720
only reason to have a drone is so you

3296
02:41:33,801 --> 02:41:29,970
can watch the friggin video that you

3297
02:41:38,930 --> 02:41:33,811
shoot with it and having a drone on Mars

3298
02:41:41,420 --> 02:41:38,940
from 16 feet flying around the rover and

3299
02:41:45,440 --> 02:41:41,430
showing us the high-def images of that

3300
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:45,450
is bleeping cool and we deserve to see

3301
02:41:52,520 --> 02:41:49,290
that footage that's why you do it man

3302
02:41:55,400 --> 02:41:52,530
man man I'm so disappointed in NASA I

3303
02:41:57,380 --> 02:41:55,410
just I cannot believe it I want to see

3304
02:41:58,270 --> 02:41:57,390
the test flights and this is the other

3305
02:42:01,520 --> 02:41:58,280
thing

3306
02:42:05,180 --> 02:42:01,530
the high-def video for Mars we get

3307
02:42:09,770 --> 02:42:05,190
hi-def images right but but like video

3308
02:42:15,610 --> 02:42:09,780
for Mars I don't want to see images of

3309
02:42:22,460 --> 02:42:18,950
you know that if I posted pictures on

3310
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:22,470
Twitter let's be very clear if I posted

3311
02:42:29,930 --> 02:42:24,720
pictures on Twitter of my drone sitting

3312
02:42:33,410 --> 02:42:29,940
on the ground who is going to care no

3313
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:33,420
but what is that I'll take a picture of

3314
02:42:45,890 --> 02:42:41,130
my shoe what's the interest in that

3315
02:42:47,750 --> 02:42:45,900
let's see a high-def video of the drone

3316
02:42:50,210 --> 02:42:47,760
flying around Mars

3317
02:42:52,490 --> 02:42:50,220
that's it well you know what I think it

3318
02:42:55,370 --> 02:42:52,500
should be we should get Elon Musk to to

3319
02:42:57,620 --> 02:42:55,380
take over this project okay and he like

3320
02:42:59,480 --> 02:42:57,630
make it happen he can do it make it

3321
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:59,490
happen and you know what is there still

3322
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:00,880
time

3323
02:43:06,330 --> 02:43:04,330
to add you know I have I have a drone

3324
02:43:08,070 --> 02:43:06,340
here it's over there

3325
02:43:10,950 --> 02:43:08,080
I I don't have the time to go and get it

3326
02:43:13,350 --> 02:43:10,960
but I have a you know a small drone here

3327
02:43:17,070 --> 02:43:13,360
in the bunker just a little drone it's

3328
02:43:19,770 --> 02:43:17,080
got a tiny little 1080p high def camera

3329
02:43:21,930 --> 02:43:19,780
on it right to shoot video that thing

3330
02:43:24,900 --> 02:43:21,940
weighs I don't know the whole drone

3331
02:43:27,030 --> 02:43:24,910
weighs a couple of ounces that's it I

3332
02:43:29,610 --> 02:43:27,040
don't know what the weight is on that

3333
02:43:31,950 --> 02:43:29,620
camera that's on the inside of that but

3334
02:43:35,580 --> 02:43:31,960
there is no reason why that simple

3335
02:43:38,310 --> 02:43:35,590
camera 1080p sign even 4k throw that on

3336
02:43:40,380 --> 02:43:38,320
that drone what do what what is that

3337
02:43:43,020 --> 02:43:40,390
what is that going to if I don't get it

3338
02:43:45,570 --> 02:43:43,030
I tumble I forget the percentages but

3339
02:43:47,761 --> 02:43:45,580
you the weight is less so I think it's

3340
02:43:49,710 --> 02:43:47,771
like something like 100 kilograms

3341
02:43:52,860 --> 02:43:49,720
I can't look online because I'm on the

3342
02:43:55,350 --> 02:43:52,870
phone but but if you're 100 kilograms

3343
02:43:57,180 --> 02:43:55,360
here on Mars you're going to be like 78

3344
02:43:59,100 --> 02:43:57,190
kilogram something like that that's

3345
02:44:01,080 --> 02:43:59,110
right that's right that's like highly

3346
02:44:03,630 --> 02:44:01,090
significant but you know it's it's

3347
02:44:06,690 --> 02:44:03,640
definitely something that you can work

3348
02:44:09,450 --> 02:44:06,700
around and send possibly you know even

3349
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:09,460
more bigger cameras on your your drone

3350
02:44:16,770 --> 02:44:13,690
while it's there to you know do a flyby

3351
02:44:17,280 --> 02:44:16,780
you know flying around that's right

3352
02:44:19,830 --> 02:44:17,290
that's right

3353
02:44:23,310 --> 02:44:19,840
so a David David do you bring up the

3354
02:44:27,630 --> 02:44:23,320
best point of all NASA says that this

3355
02:44:29,850 --> 02:44:27,640
helicopter weighs 3 pounds ok so you

3356
02:44:32,730 --> 02:44:29,860
tell me you tell me the difference

3357
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:32,740
between three pounds and three pounds

3358
02:44:46,261 --> 02:44:43,930
and one gram whatever it is enjoy your

3359
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:46,271
weekend man give me a gobekli tepe with

3360
02:44:52,350 --> 02:44:50,650
that voice all right that's what I'm

3361
02:44:55,980 --> 02:44:52,360
talking about David have a great weekend

3362
02:44:57,720 --> 02:44:55,990
we'll see you on Monday Jimmy thank you

3363
02:45:00,450 --> 02:44:57,730
thank you that's a great phone call

3364
02:45:03,660 --> 02:45:00,460
right there fader knots are the best and

3365
02:45:07,440 --> 02:45:03,670
never forget how cool the fader knots

3366
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:07,450
are and with that let's see who is

3367
02:45:13,080 --> 02:45:10,210
coming up now hi you're live on fade to

3368
02:45:23,580 --> 02:45:19,830
you're live three two one

3369
02:45:25,530 --> 02:45:23,590
I hate to do this but I just did okay

3370
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:25,540
I'm just gonna go next I'm going in

3371
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:33,250
order let's see here doo doo doo doo

3372
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:35,400
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3373
02:45:45,420 --> 02:45:42,570
calling you're live your watch Jamie yes

3374
02:45:47,849 --> 02:45:45,430
hey it's brother Bob out here in

3375
02:45:50,010 --> 02:45:47,859
Edmonton number hey brother Bob in

3376
02:45:55,200 --> 02:45:50,020
Edmonton Alberta how are you tonight

3377
02:45:57,900 --> 02:45:55,210
oh I gotta tell you man I missed I

3378
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:57,910
missed the first 90 minutes so I'm gonna

3379
02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:01,200
have to go back and give it a listen

3380
02:46:10,469 --> 02:46:05,850
hmm what is what is he wrote that book

3381
02:46:15,210 --> 02:46:10,479
so everybody would do more digging to

3382
02:46:17,790 --> 02:46:15,220
make Rendlesham more truthful how would

3383
02:46:21,929 --> 02:46:17,800
you even do that at this point and I

3384
02:46:23,940 --> 02:46:21,939
don't know I don't know you know that's

3385
02:46:26,219 --> 02:46:23,950
not why I called okay there was a why

3386
02:46:31,410 --> 02:46:26,229
did you stop oh I got a full I got a

3387
02:46:32,040 --> 02:46:31,420
full on Mandela effect that happened to

3388
02:46:36,570 --> 02:46:32,050
me today

3389
02:46:43,380 --> 02:46:36,580
what happened okay so how long have you

3390
02:46:47,340 --> 02:46:43,390
been in LA 1984 cool so did you go were

3391
02:46:51,270 --> 02:46:47,350
you at the last no more tours tour for

3392
02:46:54,240 --> 02:46:51,280
Ozzy at Costa Mesa in November 15th 1992

3393
02:46:56,880 --> 02:46:54,250
were you there oh no not 1992 no no I

3394
02:46:59,490 --> 02:46:56,890
didn't I didn't see that to her okay so

3395
02:47:02,460 --> 02:46:59,500
it was the no more tours to her and that

3396
02:47:03,469 --> 02:47:02,470
was right Saturday night I couldn't get

3397
02:47:06,090 --> 02:47:03,479
tickets

3398
02:47:07,500 --> 02:47:06,100
they didn't the boys didn't get together

3399
02:47:10,290 --> 02:47:07,510
the four of them didn't get together

3400
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:10,300
they didn't do the the four songs and

3401
02:47:16,830 --> 02:47:13,050
Sunday night they did the four songs I

3402
02:47:22,590 --> 02:47:16,840
was 28 years old I'm 54 yesterday two

3403
02:47:25,671 --> 02:47:22,600
days ago right all these years Jimmy it

3404
02:47:29,700 --> 02:47:25,681
was war pigs

3405
02:47:31,381 --> 02:47:29,710
it was paranoid played for thought they

3406
02:47:34,320 --> 02:47:31,391
played four songs at the end he played

3407
02:47:36,200 --> 02:47:34,330
war pigs let me guess Iron Man right

3408
02:47:40,650 --> 02:47:36,210
they played fairies we're bruised and

3409
02:47:45,740 --> 02:47:40,660
paranoid right of course okay but they

3410
02:47:49,650 --> 02:47:45,750
didn't good wait a minute

3411
02:47:54,030 --> 02:47:49,660
Bob Bob Bob Bob stop for a sec yeah are

3412
02:47:56,301 --> 02:47:54,040
you saying that your memory says war

3413
02:47:59,970 --> 02:47:56,311
pigs iron man fairies wear boots

3414
02:48:02,011 --> 02:47:59,980
paranoid you saw it it was amazing and

3415
02:48:02,730 --> 02:48:02,021
it was a great night that you'll never

3416
02:48:06,120 --> 02:48:02,740
forget

3417
02:48:09,030 --> 02:48:06,130
right I was there people people go to

3418
02:48:10,591 --> 02:48:09,040
Bob to find out the truth okay I gotcha

3419
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:10,601
my remember this do you remember this

3420
02:48:14,190 --> 02:48:12,610
time I did this and I'm like yeah man I

3421
02:48:15,540 --> 02:48:14,200
remember that dear remember the song

3422
02:48:19,320 --> 02:48:15,550
that was playing it was 2:00 in the

3423
02:48:21,961 --> 02:48:19,330
morning it was iron man remember that I

3424
02:48:25,051 --> 02:48:21,971
feel yeah okay what happened would you

3425
02:48:27,631 --> 02:48:25,061
find out okay my heart is racing man

3426
02:48:30,330 --> 02:48:27,641
like I was in I my wife called after I

3427
02:48:32,910 --> 02:48:30,340
found so chanters been posting these

3428
02:48:37,381 --> 02:48:32,920
these old videos right I wanted to outdo

3429
02:48:44,850 --> 02:48:37,391
him so I looked for the video I found

3430
02:48:47,900 --> 02:48:44,860
the video of Costa Mesa 1992 no more

3431
02:48:51,841 --> 02:48:47,910
tours you were there you see the video

3432
02:48:57,360 --> 02:48:51,851
what happens the first song was Black

3433
02:49:00,900 --> 02:48:57,370
Sabbath Black Sabbath oh no way okay

3434
02:49:03,780 --> 02:49:00,910
what was the since I was 28 years old

3435
02:49:06,270 --> 02:49:03,790
I've been telling people the story about

3436
02:49:08,040 --> 02:49:06,280
the four songs like I'm freaking out

3437
02:49:10,381 --> 02:49:08,050
right now I was in tears trying to

3438
02:49:14,520 --> 02:49:10,391
explain it to my wife today like I was

3439
02:49:17,370 --> 02:49:14,530
like almost in a psychotic break man

3440
02:49:20,850 --> 02:49:17,380
because it was so overwhelming cuz

3441
02:49:24,900 --> 02:49:20,860
Sabbath is my band man like that's it

3442
02:49:28,440 --> 02:49:24,910
yes yeah wait wait what were the other

3443
02:49:32,280 --> 02:49:28,450
three songs what do they leave off they

3444
02:49:33,900 --> 02:49:32,290
they left out workings okay so did it

3445
02:49:35,700 --> 02:49:33,910
start with warpage that started with

3446
02:49:36,779 --> 02:49:35,710
Black Sabbath but I got to sit down hold

3447
02:49:40,319 --> 02:49:36,789
on okay so

3448
02:49:42,959 --> 02:49:40,329
Black Sabbath what was next it was Black

3449
02:49:45,959 --> 02:49:42,969
Sabbath and it was iron man right then

3450
02:49:52,049 --> 02:49:45,969
oh it was Black Sabbath first wear boots

3451
02:49:54,749 --> 02:49:52,059
iron man and paranoid Wow I'm looking at

3452
02:49:57,989 --> 02:49:54,759
the video like they have the credits

3453
02:49:59,999 --> 02:49:57,999
whoever whoever made the video you can

3454
02:50:00,719 --> 02:50:00,009
look it up on on YouTube it's there

3455
02:50:03,719 --> 02:50:00,729
right

3456
02:50:06,499 --> 02:50:03,729
and it says Alice in Chains Alice in

3457
02:50:08,819 --> 02:50:06,509
Chains wasn't there it was Sepultura

3458
02:50:12,749 --> 02:50:08,829
Black Sabbath's it was Rob Halford

3459
02:50:20,249 --> 02:50:12,759
singing Ozzy Osbourne then the original

3460
02:50:23,609 --> 02:50:20,259
four mm-hmm no Allison change are you

3461
02:50:26,369 --> 02:50:23,619
sure you were there oh you know what I

3462
02:50:29,279 --> 02:50:26,379
got to this day I have a what there were

3463
02:50:30,989 --> 02:50:29,289
these crazy that we met these guys these

3464
02:50:33,089 --> 02:50:30,999
Spanish guys Mexican guys they were

3465
02:50:34,799 --> 02:50:33,099
freaking cool we were smoking black hash

3466
02:50:37,679 --> 02:50:34,809
that we smuggled across the border blah

3467
02:50:40,979 --> 02:50:37,689
blah blah whatever do that right and

3468
02:50:43,469 --> 02:50:40,989
they were so amazed that we had this

3469
02:50:47,579 --> 02:50:43,479
hash and nearer and and these guys

3470
02:50:49,919 --> 02:50:47,589
beside us started a huge fire like big

3471
02:50:51,899 --> 02:50:49,929
fires in the in the festival seating

3472
02:50:53,039 --> 02:50:51,909
these guys are beating the crap out of

3473
02:50:57,239 --> 02:50:53,049
each other and I get hit in the head

3474
02:50:59,189 --> 02:50:57,249
with a with a watch flew off somebody's

3475
02:51:01,439 --> 02:50:59,199
wrist I still have the watch it's in a

3476
02:51:04,079 --> 02:51:01,449
drawer did you see did you see the whole

3477
02:51:06,059 --> 02:51:04,089
show do you remember that absolutely how

3478
02:51:07,979 --> 02:51:06,069
was that we got there was so wild

3479
02:51:10,709 --> 02:51:07,989
because we're Canadians he can't buy

3480
02:51:12,599 --> 02:51:10,719
beer in a 7-eleven right well we walk

3481
02:51:15,539 --> 02:51:12,609
into a 7-eleven we buy a couple of tall

3482
02:51:18,649 --> 02:51:15,549
boys put him in brown paper bags and we

3483
02:51:23,159 --> 02:51:18,659
walked into the show how was simple Tora

3484
02:51:28,219 --> 02:51:23,169
sample sure I'd never seen them still

3485
02:51:32,929 --> 02:51:28,229
never seen them they were good amazing

3486
02:51:35,159 --> 02:51:32,939
vocals and not that that vocal guy oh

3487
02:51:40,799 --> 02:51:35,169
okay no I hear what you're saying but

3488
02:51:44,099 --> 02:51:40,809
Sepultura manages to this day those guys

3489
02:51:48,239 --> 02:51:44,109
kill it but then Rob Halford came on

3490
02:51:50,150 --> 02:51:48,249
singing with Sabbath right and they did

3491
02:51:52,131 --> 02:51:50,160
a full you know

3492
02:51:54,890 --> 02:51:52,141
not a 90-minute set but it was an hour

3493
02:51:55,400 --> 02:51:54,900
long because what Ronnie said I'm never

3494
02:51:58,220 --> 02:51:55,410
gonna

3495
02:51:59,600 --> 02:51:58,230
I can't take the stage with Ozzy I think

3496
02:52:01,791 --> 02:51:59,610
it was something like that there was on

3497
02:52:04,280 --> 02:52:01,801
the radio and that was the first time I

3498
02:52:07,730 --> 02:52:04,290
ever heard Rob Halford

3499
02:52:09,860 --> 02:52:07,740
sing light fades into black or light

3500
02:52:12,350 --> 02:52:09,870
turns and how does that go was off the

3501
02:52:14,751 --> 02:52:12,360
Buffy the Vampire Slayer soundtrack yeah

3502
02:52:18,320 --> 02:52:14,761
yeah yeah yeah yeah like oh my god

3503
02:52:22,841 --> 02:52:18,330
driving down Sunset Boulevard Wow

3504
02:52:28,341 --> 02:52:22,851
and and that was Aussie with Zakk Wylde

3505
02:52:30,770 --> 02:52:28,351
yes what a show man it was yeah and and

3506
02:52:32,360 --> 02:52:30,780
I was all freaked out because I didn't

3507
02:52:34,041 --> 02:52:32,370
get to Saturday night tickets and I'm

3508
02:52:35,450 --> 02:52:34,051
thinking oh god they're gonna do it on

3509
02:52:36,801 --> 02:52:35,460
Saturday night because everybody's

3510
02:52:39,410 --> 02:52:36,811
probably gonna have to go to work on

3511
02:52:42,740 --> 02:52:39,420
Sunday and but no they did it on Sunday

3512
02:52:44,751 --> 02:52:42,750
and Bill Ward was smiling ear to ear and

3513
02:52:46,881 --> 02:52:44,761
I knew I knew there was going to be a

3514
02:52:48,890 --> 02:52:46,891
tour after that I was I was okay with

3515
02:52:50,921 --> 02:52:48,900
that well see I knew there was going to

3516
02:52:53,180 --> 02:52:50,931
be something yeah I love the universe

3517
02:52:56,480 --> 02:52:53,190
connecting us right now because that was

3518
02:53:01,341 --> 02:52:56,490
going to be my next comment was Bill

3519
02:53:03,591 --> 02:53:01,351
Ward because that was Bill Ward he has

3520
02:53:08,570 --> 02:53:03,601
had health issues over the years yeah

3521
02:53:11,690 --> 02:53:08,580
but but that that era of Bill and and

3522
02:53:13,671 --> 02:53:11,700
what went down in 92 he not only came

3523
02:53:16,100 --> 02:53:13,681
back but he was like in some of his best

3524
02:53:20,001 --> 02:53:16,110
form ever in the history of his career

3525
02:53:24,200 --> 02:53:20,011
it was hammer and he was he built like

3526
02:53:26,961 --> 02:53:24,210
10 sheds but yeah you know yeah just

3527
02:53:29,470 --> 02:53:26,971
pounding those buggers and a smile on

3528
02:53:35,930 --> 02:53:29,480
his face yeah and it was just so

3529
02:53:37,761 --> 02:53:35,940
awesomely wicked and I can't I'm I'm

3530
02:53:40,211 --> 02:53:37,771
just overwhelmed and I was so freaked

3531
02:53:45,381 --> 02:53:40,221
out today I know what about the you know

3532
02:53:48,791 --> 02:53:45,391
the whole Black Sabbath instead of Iron

3533
02:53:52,341 --> 02:53:48,801
Man which not Iron Man work the warp is

3534
02:53:54,591 --> 02:53:52,351
that that's a concern for me and that in

3535
02:53:57,501 --> 02:53:54,601
of itself isn't well but that's not

3536
02:54:00,280 --> 02:53:57,511
enough right you need some other things

3537
02:54:01,940 --> 02:54:00,290
well you throw in this Alison change

3538
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:01,950
aspect of it

3539
02:54:07,580 --> 02:54:04,650
and I don't know if that is an error a

3540
02:54:09,620 --> 02:54:07,590
clerical error but you can't make that

3541
02:54:12,080 --> 02:54:09,630
kind of mistake and you were there and

3542
02:54:14,270 --> 02:54:12,090
you know it was Sepultura right you know

3543
02:54:16,430 --> 02:54:14,280
it was how I notice abbath you know it

3544
02:54:18,980 --> 02:54:16,440
was Ozzy was Zach and you know was the

3545
02:54:20,900 --> 02:54:18,990
final four to wrap things up

3546
02:54:23,540 --> 02:54:20,910
who was the bass player the bass player

3547
02:54:27,470 --> 02:54:23,550
brandy Costello was that right no Randy

3548
02:54:32,060 --> 02:54:27,480
was the drummer oh okay sorry yeah Randy

3549
02:54:42,011 --> 02:54:32,070
was the drummer the bass player for Ozzy

3550
02:54:47,171 --> 02:54:42,021
with Zach then no no no no new no jeez

3551
02:54:53,870 --> 02:54:47,181
it might have been was it Robby Oh

3552
02:54:55,730 --> 02:54:53,880
what's Robby's last name oh man or was

3553
02:54:58,450 --> 02:54:55,740
it been chest I don't know I don't know

3554
02:55:04,011 --> 02:54:58,460
who the bass player was for I was in 92

3555
02:55:08,960 --> 02:55:04,021
no I want to say Robby crane was a Robby

3556
02:55:11,780 --> 02:55:08,970
crane he might have been playing with

3557
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:11,790
Vince Neil then I don't know I don't

3558
02:55:14,870 --> 02:55:14,250
know you know Aziz you know what you

3559
02:55:18,110 --> 02:55:14,880
know what's funny

3560
02:55:33,680 --> 02:55:18,120
today ask me who Aussies guitar player

3561
02:55:36,921 --> 02:55:33,690
is sign up there right it said no more

3562
02:55:39,200 --> 02:55:36,931
tours I'll be back at the end and I

3563
02:55:41,750 --> 02:55:39,210
remember that I remember everything I

3564
02:55:44,360 --> 02:55:41,760
was out I clean like I mean we're all in

3565
02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:44,370
lockdown today right so I'm cleaning my

3566
02:55:48,890 --> 02:55:46,650
inhere serendipity for you I'm cleaning

3567
02:55:50,750 --> 02:55:48,900
my closet what do I pull out what do I

3568
02:55:53,240 --> 02:55:50,760
find in the bottom of the closet at the

3569
02:55:55,100 --> 02:55:53,250
bottom of all the t-shirts and long

3570
02:55:58,370 --> 02:55:55,110
underwear well I live in Canada right

3571
02:56:03,381 --> 02:55:58,380
we've got long underwear up here and it

3572
02:56:06,171 --> 02:56:03,391
was my no more tourist shirt Oh see that

3573
02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:06,181
you've always got to accept the duality

3574
02:56:11,770 --> 02:56:08,250
of the universe yep

3575
02:56:13,810 --> 02:56:11,780
you have to it comes in twos man

3576
02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:13,820
it comes in twos and it comes in waves

3577
02:56:19,330 --> 02:56:17,120
okay I need to know from the fader nuts

3578
02:56:25,240 --> 02:56:19,340
I've got 60 seconds before we sign off

3579
02:56:29,730 --> 02:56:25,250
and we've got Bob here who is Ozzy's

3580
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:29,740
current guitar player Rob blast Co

3581
02:56:38,740 --> 02:56:36,170
that's Oh blast oh no no no not now yeah

3582
02:56:42,610 --> 02:56:38,750
I think that's wrong that's according to

3583
02:56:44,110 --> 02:56:42,620
Scott who Blasco yeah but I've seen him

3584
02:56:45,340 --> 02:56:44,120
play with Glasgow but I don't know if

3585
02:56:52,090 --> 02:56:45,350
that's who's playing with it Oh

3586
02:56:54,370 --> 02:56:52,100
Rob was the bass player in 92 okay yeah

3587
02:56:55,900 --> 02:56:54,380
yep see I've got everything you can't be

3588
02:56:59,650 --> 02:56:55,910
come on Bob you know The Fader knots

3589
02:57:00,640 --> 02:56:59,660
they're all over this oh yeah they're so

3590
02:57:03,910 --> 02:57:00,650
than me that's for sure

3591
02:57:06,640 --> 02:57:03,920
hey so who is who is Ozzy's guitar

3592
02:57:13,500 --> 02:57:06,650
player today that's the question I have

3593
02:57:17,260 --> 02:57:13,510
no idea I have no idea okay let's see

3594
02:57:19,630 --> 02:57:17,270
I've got come on phaidor knots okay I'm

3595
02:57:21,610 --> 02:57:19,640
out of time hey Bob thank you so much my

3596
02:57:25,030 --> 02:57:21,620
friend we love you give me a gobekli

3597
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:25,040
tepe gobekli tepe brothers that's what

3598
02:57:28,060 --> 02:57:26,570
I'm talking about great phone call Bob

3599
02:57:32,770 --> 02:57:28,070
enjoy your weekend we'll see you right

3600
02:57:35,460 --> 02:57:32,780
here on Monday thank you so much that's

3601
02:57:39,940 --> 02:57:35,470
a real Mandela effect you know what

3602
02:57:42,340 --> 02:57:39,950
having having you know Black Sabbath

3603
02:57:43,930 --> 02:57:42,350
instead of war pigs you know that

3604
02:57:47,320 --> 02:57:43,940
that'll throw things off that's a

3605
02:57:51,150 --> 02:57:47,330
Mandela effect that's kind of what Zakk

3606
02:57:53,140 --> 02:57:51,160
Wylde is back with Ozzy is that right

3607
02:57:56,500 --> 02:57:53,150
confirm that he will be touring

3608
02:58:00,310 --> 02:57:56,510
alongside Ozzy in 2020 part of the

3609
02:58:03,130 --> 02:58:00,320
rockers no more tours to farewell tour

3610
02:58:05,830 --> 02:58:03,140
so Zack is back in Ozzy's band that's

3611
02:58:08,340 --> 02:58:05,840
cool that's worth it Mike Inez played

3612
02:58:11,320 --> 02:58:08,350
bass that's right yeah it was Mike Inez

3613
02:58:13,900 --> 02:58:11,330
absolutely thank you Tim for that

3614
02:58:16,090 --> 02:58:13,910
I love the fader knots I love all of you

3615
02:58:18,280 --> 02:58:16,100
what a great show tonight all of the

3616
02:58:21,400 --> 02:58:18,290
phone calls and of course I got to send

3617
02:58:23,280 --> 02:58:21,410
out a special thank you to mr. John

3618
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:23,290
Burroughs what

3619
02:58:29,430 --> 02:58:25,120
incredible show and I'll say it one more

3620
02:58:35,790 --> 02:58:29,440
time you fader nots every single one of

3621
02:58:37,140 --> 02:58:35,800
you are spoiled spoiled rotten and I

3622
02:58:39,210 --> 02:58:37,150
wouldn't have it any other way

3623
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:39,220
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3624
02:58:43,170 --> 02:58:41,050
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3625
02:58:45,180 --> 02:58:43,180
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3626
02:58:47,280 --> 02:58:45,190
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3627
02:58:50,940 --> 02:58:47,290
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3628
02:58:53,670 --> 02:58:50,950
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3629
02:58:58,430 --> 02:58:53,680
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3630
02:59:03,750 --> 02:59:02,310
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3631
02:59:06,030 --> 02:59:03,760
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3632
02:59:08,400 --> 02:59:06,040
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3633
02:59:10,050 --> 02:59:08,410
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3634
02:59:11,700 --> 02:59:10,060
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3635
02:59:13,380 --> 02:59:11,710
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3636
02:59:15,780 --> 02:59:13,390
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3637
02:59:18,330 --> 02:59:15,790
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3638
02:59:21,330 --> 02:59:18,340
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3639
02:59:23,460 --> 02:59:21,340
I know Rita and I are and we'll be right

3640
02:59:27,360 --> 02:59:23,470
back here on Monday with all of you

3641
02:59:31,080 --> 02:59:27,370
until then everybody be safe